raiondoll
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Post by raiondoll on Oct 9, 2006 15:32:15 GMT -5
Hopefully we'll see more of character development in Zuko. For goodness sake he's still after Aang! I just hope his reality check comes soon. *rolls eyes* edit: good night Trust. It's morning here for me..
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Post by stinkypinky on Oct 9, 2006 15:48:53 GMT -5
Hey guys!
How do you guys think Zuko finds out Aang is in BaSS? And how does he know where Appa is
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Rainyaqua
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Post by Rainyaqua on Oct 9, 2006 16:03:11 GMT -5
^ I think he could overhear somebody talking about it while he was serving tea to someone, like this
Did you hear? The Avatar is here, and he's looking for his Bison.
Or, I would find it interesting if he overheard Long Fei talking to the Dai Li about keeping the Bison away from the Avatar, or how the Avatar won't make trouble because he is looking his Bison.
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Post by Ardor on Oct 9, 2006 16:06:33 GMT -5
From one of the commercials I watched yesterday, it looks like Appa is in the circus.. Zuko *did* tell Jin *cringes* that he was a juggler in a traveling circus, so maybe Jin *cringes* takes him to it or something and Appa is like the main attraction or something. *shrugs*
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Rainyaqua
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Post by Rainyaqua on Oct 9, 2006 16:09:25 GMT -5
I think if Jin would be invovled, she could possibly be the one to tell him about the Avatar being here, I'm not sure about Appa being in the circus in BSS, though.
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Post by stinkypinky on Oct 9, 2006 16:11:46 GMT -5
Or maybe Jin is part of the Dai Lee, arrests him and somehow he finds out through the Dai Lee that Aang is there and knows where Appa, because maybe that's were they're taking him.
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MsJimmy
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Post by MsJimmy on Oct 9, 2006 16:14:05 GMT -5
Why does everyone think she's part of the Dai Lee? I'm sorry, but this chick doesn't look like she can do much *is shot*
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raiondoll
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Post by raiondoll on Oct 9, 2006 16:15:53 GMT -5
I thought the gang was going to run into Jet in one of the episodes? Zuko could overhear one of the Dai Lee talking about the bison & it's whereabouts instead of Aang. Then sneak off in his Blue Spirit costume & go off to find Appa.
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Post by stinkypinky on Oct 9, 2006 16:17:59 GMT -5
Why does everyone think she's part of the Dai Lee? I'm sorry, but this chick doesn't look like she can do much *is shot* I only feel that way because it adds more awesome to the story. ;D
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Post by Zutara7 on Oct 9, 2006 16:23:39 GMT -5
Why does everyone think she's part of the Dai Lee? I'm sorry, but this chick doesn't look like she can do much *is shot* I only feel that way because it adds more awesome to the story. ;D LOL. XD
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raiondoll
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Post by raiondoll on Oct 9, 2006 16:30:58 GMT -5
Jin isn't a Dai Lee..she's one of the Joo Dees. Or atleast a daughter of one. Which explains why she's so perky! Even perkier than Ty-Lee. & NO ONE..absolutely NO ONE..(in Avatar that is) can beat Ty-Lee in perkiness. *eye twitch*
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Post by stinkypinky on Oct 9, 2006 16:33:32 GMT -5
Jin isn't a Dai Lee..she's one of the Joo Dees. Or atleast a daughter of one. Which explains why she's so perky! Even perkier than Ty-Lee. & NO ONE..absolutely NO ONE..(in Avatar that is) can beat Ty-Lee in perkiness. *eye twitch* LOL! It would make more sense if she was brain washed instead of actually being part of the Dai Lee. It would also make sense because if she wasn't brainwashed or bribed, she was seriously dense for not figuring how Zuko lit the park to quickly.
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Post by machina on Oct 9, 2006 16:37:12 GMT -5
Still he managed to cool down and was not only eager to learn Irohs lightning chaneling move, but was also ready to let himself beint HIT by lightning just to practice it. You can't get anymore serious then this. If there is anything off about Zuko as a student, it's he tends to to work too hard. He over-compensates, working to the point of nearly killing himself. Likely believing if he pushes himself hard enough in the training, he can just get over whatever it is holding him back... but it won't work. No matter how hard he trains or how good a teacher Iroh is. Which is why I suppose I can't blame Zuko entirely for stomping off (even if I don't necessarily excuse it). Iroh can tell Zuko what the problem is, but it's not something he can teach him through or something Zuko can just make disappear with harder training. It's something Zuko needs to do for himself and I think some part of him realizes that, but it's extremely difficult facing those hard truths and that deep-seeded pain. If it says anything in that he'd rather face lightening blasts either from Iroh or mother nature, as opposed to the real, fundamental problem underneath? Kind of goes to show how hard this is for him. It seems pretty clear to me that it's going to take more than what Iroh or Zuko have by themselves to help Zuko come to the place where he can face his demons (or, I suppose, that figurative Sabretooth Mooselion). This is why it seems very natural to me the story seems progressing to where Zuko will join Aang's group. But that all assumes that the gaang will be receptive of him. I don't think anyone is expecting Zuko to get along with everyone right away those initial days of travelling together if they were to join forces. If they did, that wouldn't only be unrealistic, but dull. However, I just don't think Aang and his friends (well, maybe Sokka) would be so intolerant that they'd hold this perpetual insurmountable hostility or this grudge over Zuko the entire time he's with them. Even despite his role in the first season and being Fire Nation. Especially if Zuko, however begrudgingly, is helping them in some capacity. Truthfully, I think Aang would be elated having Zuko with them, despite however grouchy Zuko is (or pretends to be) at the ordeal. Aang was already open to the idea of frienship with Zuko back in "The Blue Spirit" when they were enemies. I have a hard time imagining Aang has become so prejudiced that he'd shut Zuko out. No matter how closed off Zuko himself may be (at least at first). Sokka is, honestly, the only one I could see coming into the biggest conflict with Zuko. However, I don't even see that lasting. At least not lasting as fervently as it might those first few eps of Zuko with them. It might take a catalyst to get over the brunt of the antagonism (IE Zuko and Sokka thrown into a dangerous situation where they'd have to depend on each other or die). Maybe not even that much.... especially if Zuko were a fellow meat-lover. Heh. Which, imo, doesn't seem so much a detriment to the prospect of Zuko joining Aang's group, but a benefit and probably the exact reason why it would happen. Zuko's prickly personality would definitely initially clash with the group (Drama!), but the reasons and/or necessities for him being there would most likely outweigh his nastier aspects. You'd be watching these very different people learning to cope and survive together, finding those places of common ground between them. Thus, this group of young people as a microcosm to the world around them (namely, the post-war world... unless the writers plan on Ozai and/or Azula winning and I doubt that very much). I do eventually see those nastier aspects of Zuko's character toning down. Why? Much of his anger, pride and arrogance presumedly stems from a coping mechanism to deal with his lack of self-worth and feelings of shame. Since I'd see the purpose of Zuko joining Aang & friends would be a way for him to get over those feelings of shame - face his demons - I'd see him becoming an easier person to get along with and be more open to the others (thus allowing friendships to be formed, probably really strong ones at that). Zuko and Aang & friends do have some very fundamental things in common which I could definitely see forming some very strong friendships and bonds, as soon as the initial prickliness was surmounted. And I'd say it's all the more reason for him to join up with Aang. Of course I don't see Aang and his friends as so very intolerant they'd never get over Zuko's past and not see the not-so-bad human being (the person Iroh sees) underneath. I definitely don't see Aang being so intolerant, I don't see Katara or Toph posing that much antagonism, at least not after they get to really know him. I truly don't see Sokka holding a grudge for all that long either. The whole group has shown great capacities for compassion, forgiveness and friendship. I wouldn't expect anything less from heroes, even if they are all still teenagers. "Avatar" has already went out of it's way to - pretty anviliciously - illustrate children as symbols of hope. I don't really see that changing the advent Zuko were to join Aang & friends. I'd sooner think it exemplies that symbol than damages it. Hope certainly isn't easy to come by, but it's worth working for if there's even a chance of it being there. Thus how I see the progression of Zuko joining up and befriending Team Avatar. It's about finding hope, even from the unlikeliest of places and when things seem impossible. Zuko certainly isn't perfect, but he wouldn't have to be to join up with Aang's group. Frankly, it's for a lot of his imperfections I see him joining in the first place. I see this united group ultimately helping Zuko through his issues (and Zuko helping them through some of theirs) and allowing him (or forcing him) to face them.... thus everyone gets a little closer to that final battle and the new world that will be born after it. Not being yet another scar on his character.
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Post by Rainyaqua on Oct 9, 2006 16:38:59 GMT -5
Jin isn't a Dai Lee..she's one of the Joo Dees. Or atleast a daughter of one. Which explains why she's so perky! Even perkier than Ty-Lee. & NO ONE..absolutely NO ONE..(in Avatar that is) can beat Ty-Lee in perkiness. *eye twitch* LOL! It would make more sense if she was brain washed instead of actually being part of the Dai Lee. It would also make sense because if she wasn't brainwashed or bribed, she was seriously dense for not figuring how Zuko lit the park to quickly. Yea, unless she thought he had used Spark Rocks to light it, which still probably wouldn't explain how it lit so quickly, and he would probably be out of breath if he to run to light them up.
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Post by raiondoll on Oct 9, 2006 16:41:43 GMT -5
Jin isn't a Dai Lee..she's one of the Joo Dees. Or atleast a daughter of one. Which explains why she's so perky! Even perkier than Ty-Lee. & NO ONE..absolutely NO ONE..(in Avatar that is) can beat Ty-Lee in perkiness. *eye twitch* LOL! It would make more sense if she was brain washed instead of actually being part of the Dai Lee. It would also make sense because if she wasn't brainwashed or bribed, she was seriously dense for not figuring how Zuko lit the park to quickly. Brainwashed! xD hah. Yes, I guess that explains why she was so dense about the candles being lit. If she weren't, she'd go all "Dai Lee" on him. Jin: So, explain to me how the lights were lit so quickly? *suspicious stare* Zuko: Well.. Jin: *holds up wanted poster* I think this poster can explain everything. Zuko: You don't understand! Jin: Oh, but I do. *shows Dai Lee badge* I'm turning you AND your tea loving uncle to Long Feng Fire Nation spy! Zuko: I'm not a spy! I'm a refugee! Jin: Save it for Long Feng.. Zuko: So this was all a set up wasn't it? Jin: Ofcourse it was..as a Fire Nation spy..you sure are dense. Zuko. =.=
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