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Post by raiondoll on Oct 9, 2006 12:59:20 GMT -5
I hope Iroh continues to stay alive until Season 3. ^^; But, if he doesn't make it..(not saying he won't. ^^ the creators will have a reason as to why he did & not because his voice actor died. If they finished Season 2 before Mako passed away, then they will have to find another voice actor for Season 3.
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Post by trustno1 on Oct 9, 2006 13:22:43 GMT -5
Do you think that Zuko will have a fatherly role in the gang ?I can't really see him a fatherly role in the group, I see Iroh as the fatherly role. Zuko seems more like he would have a brotherly role ( probably just to Toph), but he seems like he would probably be the loner of the group. I also don't think Zuko would take on the role of a father figure of Aang. And being a "bigger brother" would make more sense since we already seen him act like this in "Zuko Alone". I guess, that Aangs psychological block against firebending (after burning Katara in "the Deserter"), would be a good opportunity for Zuko to feel sorry for Aang and help him overcome his fear before fire, because Zuko could relate to having problems with firebending itself. When it comes to the way he will interact with Katara. I have to say, that somehow, I can see them behaving like an old couple, if he joins the gAang and becomes Aangs sifu (there we have parental role again^^). Mostly because Zuko and Katara both are very serious about bending and training and Aang isn't, so we could see Zuko and Katara doing the "crossing arms and looking strict"-look: www.avatarspirit.net/images/screenshots/119/253.jpg...and thinking of Aang and how often he abuses bending for creating part tricks, I am pretty sure there will be atleast one occasion to see this.xD I am also looking forward to see both fighting about really dumb things like the already mentioned "old couple" since both are so stubborn.^^ I really can't wait.... Katara: Zuko could you please light up the campfire. Zuko: I was already up to, no need to order me around. Katara: Order you around... Sokka: You know "prince angry" is right you are really bossy... Katara: What's your problem Zuko: Yes, stay out of this, it is something between me and your sister Toph: Aw, get a room, you two, some people trying to sleep here! Rofl the beauty of Zutara, can't wait for Zuko to join. I really hope he will at the end of this season, because I'm dying to see him in the gAang.
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Post by raiondoll on Oct 9, 2006 13:38:24 GMT -5
Mostly because Zuko and Katara both are very serious about bending and training and Aang isn't, so we could see Zuko and Katara doing the "crossing arms and looking strict"-look: www.avatarspirit.net/images/screenshots/119/253.jpg...and thinking of Aang and how often he abuses bending for creating part tricks, I am pretty sure there will be atleast one occasion to see this.xD You should manip that Trust. xD
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Post by Amira on Oct 9, 2006 13:52:15 GMT -5
I'm sorry, but that statement just feels wrong. It may have been true in the first season, but that is not true of Aang in the second season. He has completely buckled down and has tried to learn. You can see that with his earth bending, with his water bending, and with his ability to bend two elements at once (hello...ToBSS and Aang airbended and earthbended at the same time).
Aang's actually been terribly upset when he can't catch onto a bending move or ability. That to me shows that he understand that he needs to learn and he's serious about learning. He actually cares enough to get upset.
Zuko hasn't been serious. His last lesson he kept questioning his uncle, snapping at him, and then went off in a huff when Iroh wouldn't do what he wanted (shoot lightning at him).
And I see Katara getting far more frustrated with Zuko and his "teaching" than with Aang and his "learning."
But that's if Zuko joins the gaang. I hope he doesn't. Gaang would get too big and it's nice to have the back and forth split between characters and groups. Zuko having his own storyline is kind of nice.
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Post by raiondoll on Oct 9, 2006 14:00:47 GMT -5
Now that I see it from your view Amira, Zuko having his own story line would be good, rather than just one big story line featuring Aang..but is it possible for Zuko to join the gang, but still have a story line? *thinks* it sounds filler-ish though. I was thinking of ToBSS, where the gang had different story lines.
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Post by Amira on Oct 9, 2006 14:03:45 GMT -5
Now that I see it from your view Amira, Zuko having his own story line would be good, rather than just one big story line featuring Aang..but is it possible for Zuko to join the gang, but still have a story line? *thinks* it sounds filler-ish though. I was thinking of ToBSS, where the gang had different story lines. I just like how Avatar has been switching from one group to the other within episodes. And I do think that adding Zuko would make the Gaang to big. It's one more character (possibly two) to add to a group that's already had enough trouble adjusting to Toph. And with Zuko, there is a ton of past baggage that wasn't there with Toph. I just don't like the idea and never have. I think Zuko needs to go his own storyline to reach his goals (whatever they are)
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Post by trustno1 on Oct 9, 2006 14:09:42 GMT -5
Mostly because Zuko and Katara both are very serious about bending and training and Aang isn't, so we could see Zuko and Katara doing the "crossing arms and looking strict"-look: www.avatarspirit.net/images/screenshots/119/253.jpg...and thinking of Aang and how often he abuses bending for creating part tricks, I am pretty sure there will be atleast one occasion to see this.xD You should manip that Trust. xD Sry, but the monotom lightning makes it too hard to manip. -.-
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Post by raiondoll on Oct 9, 2006 14:21:42 GMT -5
You should manip that Trust. xD Sry, but the monotom lightning makes it too hard to manip. -.- Awww. That's okay Trust! I'll just picture the gestures in my mind.
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Post by trustno1 on Oct 9, 2006 14:32:34 GMT -5
Zuko hasn't been serious. His last lesson he kept questioning his uncle, snapping at him, and then went off in a huff when Iroh wouldn't do what he wanted (shoot lightning at him). Zuko snaping and questioning his uncle? Do you mean "Bitter Work"? I haven't seen him snapping or questioning his uncle in this episode. Sure he was frustrated, that he didn't manage to create lightning (which he by the way most probably wanted to learn to learn to actually being able to protect his uncle, after Iroh was severaly injured by Azula). He was trying to create it over and over again although it kept exploding right into his face, which was the reason he got angry, because not only he was stripted down from his chance of regaining his honor and his rank, but also almost lost his uncle ("my live was nothing but himbling lately"). Still he managed to cool down and was not only eager to learn Irohs lightning chaneling move, but was also ready to let himself beint HIT by lightning just to practice it. You can't get anymore serious then this. Besides Zuko was already training for years, although his inner turmoil was constantly holding him back and although he wasn't nearly as good as his sister, this shows how serious he takes his training and how determined he is.
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Post by Amira on Oct 9, 2006 14:41:00 GMT -5
Zuko hasn't been serious. His last lesson he kept questioning his uncle, snapping at him, and then went off in a huff when Iroh wouldn't do what he wanted (shoot lightning at him). Zuko snaping and questioning his uncle? Do you mean "Bitter Work"? I haven't seen him snapping or questioning his uncle in this episode. Sure he was frustrated, that he didn't manage to create lightning (which he by the way most probably wanted to learn to learn to actually being able to protect his uncle, after Iroh was severaly injured by Azula). He was trying to create it over and over again although it kept exploding right into his face, which was the reason he got angry, because not only he was stripted down from his chance of regaining his honor and his rank, but also almost lost his uncle ("my live was nothing but himbling lately"). Still he managed to cool down and was not only eager to learn Irohs lightning chaneling move, but was also ready to let himself beint HIT by lightning just to practice it. You can't get anymore serious then this. Besides Zuko was already training for years, although his inner turmoil was constantly holding him back and although he wasn't nearly as good as his sister, this shows how serious he takes his training and how determined he is. And then when his uncle refused, he huffed off. That's not serious. That's child behavior. Does he want to learn moves, yes. Does he want to learn it in a way that contradicts how he wants things to progress. No. He has little to no patience. He is a difficult student at best. And as Iroh said, the only way he will progress is if he let's things go and he has not and possibly will not ever do that. Part of the character development with the sword skills is because Zuko's skills as a firebender have been stagnating and possibly what they are now is what they will always be. He seems more at home with the swords than with his bending. He has trouble with bending, he has a natural ability with swords.
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Post by trustno1 on Oct 9, 2006 14:52:29 GMT -5
Zuko snaping and questioning his uncle? Do you mean "Bitter Work"? I haven't seen him snapping or questioning his uncle in this episode. Sure he was frustrated, that he didn't manage to create lightning (which he by the way most probably wanted to learn to learn to actually being able to protect his uncle, after Iroh was severaly injured by Azula). He was trying to create it over and over again although it kept exploding right into his face, which was the reason he got angry, because not only he was stripted down from his chance of regaining his honor and his rank, but also almost lost his uncle ("my live was nothing but himbling lately"). Still he managed to cool down and was not only eager to learn Irohs lightning chaneling move, but was also ready to let himself beint HIT by lightning just to practice it. You can't get anymore serious then this. Besides Zuko was already training for years, although his inner turmoil was constantly holding him back and although he wasn't nearly as good as his sister, this shows how serious he takes his training and how determined he is. And then when his uncle refused, he huffed off. That's not serious. That's child behavior. Does he want to learn moves, yes. Does he want to learn it in a way that contradicts how he wants things to progress. No. He has little to no patience. He is a difficult student at best. And as Iroh said, the only way he will progress is if he let's things go and he has not and possibly will not ever do that. Part of the character development with the sword skills is because Zuko's skills as a firebender have been stagnating. He seems more at home with the swords than with his bending. He has trouble with bending, he has a natural ability with swords. It is serious. He learned the move and he wanted to practice it. Iroh refused to do so, because it was too dangerous so he took of to practice on real lightning. You call it chid behavior, I think that it showed dedication. Zukos sword skill are not a sign of being a bad firebender. If you think again, you may remember that he used the swords in situations, he was not able to bend (FN fortress/EK town/BSS). His trouble in bending comes from his inner turmoil as firebending needs selfcontrol, he will need to do more then just talk about his past to overcome a troubled past and the hardshipp he experienced from his cruel father. If his skill with the swords shows anything, it's that he has what it takes to be a good firebender (apart of the inner peace of course) as he already is a good martial artist.
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Post by Amira on Oct 9, 2006 15:00:22 GMT -5
It was childish and foolish and reckless. Iroh explained why he wouldn't shoot lightning at him. He explained it was dangerous. And Zuko stomped off to find lightning on his own, which further shows he cannot get past old behaviors. Iroh knew that if Zuko wasn't able to complete the move, it could hurt him, even kill him. Zuko had trouble even handling lightning, he couldn't create lightning.
Goodness, I hope none of my students behave like Zuko and do something foolish in the name of "dedication."
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Post by Paraiba Ocean on Oct 9, 2006 15:04:57 GMT -5
However dedicated Zuko was to learning how to control lightning, he ignored Iroh completely. Iroh showed him how to redirect lightning in case of an emergency. They practiced for a very long time on one move, hardly simple, and Iroh warned him how dangerous lightning still was. Further more, Zuko failed to listen about personal turmoil by claiming he had none. Pfft, Zuko...let's be realistic here...
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Post by trustno1 on Oct 9, 2006 15:06:45 GMT -5
It was childish and foolish and reckless. Iroh explained why he wouldn't shoot lightning at him. He explained it was dangerous. And Zuko stomped off to find lightning on his own, which further shows he cannot get past old behaviors. Iroh knew that if Zuko wasn't able to complete the move, it could hurt him, even kill him. Zuko had trouble even handling lightning, he couldn't create lightning. Goodness, I hope none of my students behave like Zuko and do something foolish in the name of "dedication." Oh well, opinions , thx for the discussion. Anyway enough of offtopic talk. Has anyone something new for Zutara? Or am I alone again However dedicated Zuko was to learning how to control lightning, he ignored Iroh completely. Iroh showed him how to redirect lightning in case of an emergency. They practiced for a very long time on one move, hardly simple, and Iroh warned him how dangerous lightning still was. Further more, Zuko failed to listen about personal turmoil by claiming he had none. Pfft, Zuko...let's be realistic here... I think he is aware that he has this inner turmoil, which makes it impossible for him to properly bend fire, which most probably makes his frustration even bigger. That's one of the things I look forward to in Zuko probably joining the gAang. I hope that he will be able to let himself forget all the stuff, which goes around in his head, when he will have friends around him. I know, that it's hard to believe that he could actually befriend with the gAang, but after his recent development (his date) and after his experience with traveling alone (the Chase/Bitter Work), I see him being more able to socialize with poeple then before. He still will have to decide to fight against his father though, although I have no doubt that he will eventually. His goal: regaining his right for the throne, isn't contradicting with helping the Avatar at all and he will have realize it. Anyway I'm off, cya Mitsu and Para.^^ gn8
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Post by Amira on Oct 9, 2006 15:26:49 GMT -5
^^ But that all assumes that the gaang will be receptive of him. A date does not a ally make. He still lacks social skills in that he's blunt, lacking in the gift of thinking before actually opening his mouth, at times disresepctful, and I think despite his reduced status he still has a bit of a royalty superiority complex.
Those attitudes will not endear him to Sokka or Katara. Aang might be a tad more tolerant, but that's Aang.
Zuko is not perfect, he is extremely flawed and needs a lot more growing up and I'm not sure if a bunch of close-knit teenagers that he used to chase (and may still chase if given the chance) and treated like dirt are the path to growth for Zuko.
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