Growly
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Post by Growly on Sept 11, 2006 18:18:15 GMT -5
s'already taken care of. I need to make a ZukoxAang thread. It's kinda easy to get lost in the basement.
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trustno1
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Post by trustno1 on Sept 11, 2006 18:18:44 GMT -5
Well, the discussion was pretty good, I didn't like the end of the argumenation chain between me and Amira: Continuing this discussion with you is futile. Because I think I was quite reasonable and fear that Amira didn't got the idea of my arguments, because of my inferior english knowledge. Still his point of Zuko supporting the war is a false one, the creators very obviously made Zuko more a second protagonist, then an antagonist. The parallel storylines of both of them ("The Storm" being the most obvious one of these moments) and Zukos reaction on Songs wounds were very straight forward, which is the interesting thing about Zuko. He himself acted like a villian in the fist couple of episodes, but after we knew his true motives it just comes out that the circumstances made them "enemies" and "odd heroes for eachother" to begin with. Zuko needs the Avatar to have hope and needs to defend him from the FN to capture him for the FN on his own, which is very ironic, because it technicaly makes Zuko Aangs guardian.
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Growly
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Post by Growly on Sept 11, 2006 18:19:58 GMT -5
Zuko needs the Avatar to have hope and needs to defend him from the FN to capture him for the FN on his own, which is very ironic, because it technicaly makes Zuko Aangs guardian. And it makes for good slash potential.
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Post by rocio on Sept 11, 2006 18:21:10 GMT -5
He wouldn't ask him about, if they could be friends, if he wouldn't be grateful for being rescued by Zuko. He knows, that Zuko is a good guy forced to his actions. Are you Aang's mind reader?? No. Then Aang does not know Zuko is a good guy. And Zuko himself is not a full-fledged good guy. All Aang has exhibited towards Zuko is that he cannot stand to see anyone harmed no matter what side they're on. That is no indication that Aang knows anything about Zuko other than he has attacked him and his friends. Bueno .......*glasses and takes a book* to you Entering my professional in side.That is something that usually makes the directors to the public. They allow to know more than the characters. In order to allow us to try to guess what it is or that will happen later.........
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Post by Amira on Sept 11, 2006 18:21:31 GMT -5
Well, the discussion was pretty good, I didn't like the end of the argumenation chain between me and Amira: Continuing this discussion with you is futile. Because I think I was quite reasonable and fear that Amira didn't got the idea of my arguments, because of my inferior english knowledge. Still his point of Zuko supporting the war is a false one, the creators very obviously made Zuko more a second protagonist, then an antagonist. The parallel storylines of both of them ("The Storm" being the most obvious one of these moments) and Zukos reaction on Songs wounds were very straight forward, which is the interesting thing about Zuko. He himself acted like a villian in the fist couple of episodes, but after we knew his true motives it just comes out that the circumstances made them "enemies" and "odd heroes for eachother" to begin with. Zuko needs the Avatar to have hope and needs to defend him from the FN to capture him for the FN on his own, which is very ironic, because it technicaly makes Zuko Aangs guardian. No, I distance myself when the conversation is going nowhere. It was going nowhere because I don't see what you see and quite frankly I think you are twisting things to fit your defense of Zutara without accepting that Zutara, like all ships, has it's flaws and the characters themselves are flawed and are what the creators want them to be, not what we as fans want them to be.
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Ana
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Post by Ana on Sept 11, 2006 18:21:50 GMT -5
s'already taken care of. I need to make a ZukoxAang thread. It's kinda easy to get lost in the basement. I kinda want to make a Zuko/Aang vs. Zuko/Katara thread now but..it would turn out bad methinks. Anyway, good bye old war room. It was fun.
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trustno1
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Post by trustno1 on Sept 11, 2006 18:23:51 GMT -5
Are you Aang's mind reader?? No. Then Aang does not know Zuko is a good guy. And Zuko himself is not a full-fledged good guy. All Aang has exhibited towards Zuko is that he cannot stand to see anyone harmed no matter what side they're on. That is no indication that Aang knows anything about Zuko other than he has attacked him and his friends. It's a quote! He asked him, if they could've been friends under other conditions and was sad, when Sokka asked him, if he made new friends.
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Post by rocio on Sept 11, 2006 18:24:09 GMT -5
Well, the discussion was pretty good, I didn't like the end of the argumenation chain between me and Amira: Continuing this discussion with you is futile. Because I think I was quite reasonable and fear that Amira didn't got the idea of my arguments, because of my inferior english knowledge. Still his point of Zuko supporting the war is a false one, the creators very obviously made Zuko more a second protagonist, then an antagonist. The parallel storylines of both of them ("The Storm" being the most obvious one of these moments) and Zukos reaction on Songs wounds were very straight forward, which is the interesting thing about Zuko. He himself acted like a villian in the fist couple of episodes, but after we knew his true motives it just comes out that the circumstances made them "enemies" and "odd heroes for eachother" to begin with. Zuko needs the Avatar to have hope and needs to defend him from the FN to capture him for the FN on his own, which is very ironic, because it technicaly makes Zuko Aangs guardian. No, I distance myself when the conversation is going nowhere. It was going nowhere because I don't see what you see and quite frankly I think you are twisting things to fit your defense of Zutara without accepting that Zutara, like all ships, has it's flaws and the characters themselves are flawed and are what the creators want them to be, not what we as fans want them to be. I analyze from the professional perspective .. It is what the teachers teach to me in the university!! Better is if we go to the new war room..........
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trustno1
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Post by trustno1 on Sept 11, 2006 18:28:37 GMT -5
Well, the discussion was pretty good, I didn't like the end of the argumenation chain between me and Amira: Continuing this discussion with you is futile. Because I think I was quite reasonable and fear that Amira didn't got the idea of my arguments, because of my inferior english knowledge. Still his point of Zuko supporting the war is a false one, the creators very obviously made Zuko more a second protagonist, then an antagonist. The parallel storylines of both of them ("The Storm" being the most obvious one of these moments) and Zukos reaction on Songs wounds were very straight forward, which is the interesting thing about Zuko. He himself acted like a villian in the fist couple of episodes, but after we knew his true motives it just comes out that the circumstances made them "enemies" and "odd heroes for eachother" to begin with. Zuko needs the Avatar to have hope and needs to defend him from the FN to capture him for the FN on his own, which is very ironic, because it technicaly makes Zuko Aangs guardian. No, I distance myself when the conversation is going nowhere. It was going nowhere because I don't see what you see and quite frankly I think you are twisting things to fit your defense of Zutara without accepting that Zutara, like all ships, has it's flaws and the characters themselves are flawed and are what the creators want them to be, not what we as fans want them to be. Well there are many things that point in the direction, that Zuko won't be Aangs enemy. But I don't want to bother you and I see now your point as you may have realized, that we both have our opinions. I myself don't see me twisting things as the otherall concept of Zuko not supporting the war makes sense, for such a troubled character like him and the storyline in my opinion. But I respect you decision for not wanting to discuss anymore and won't post anything anymore to this topic.
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