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Post by Amira on Sept 11, 2006 17:16:59 GMT -5
Thats true. We are not saying that she want help him because she likes him. That is pathetic!!!! She is a caring person, and wants help! Where did...oy. I give up.
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Post by Ana on Sept 11, 2006 17:17:48 GMT -5
But you forget, that Amiras point was the prejudgment of Katara twords Zuko and unlike Zuko, Iroh is old enough to be even directly guilty for her moms murder. I think Amira's point was that Zuko's father/nation supported the war (and thus her mother's death) and that is a tough obstacle to over come if Katara and Zuko want to become a couple. And like I said before, Iroh proved he's a good man.
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Post by Amira on Sept 11, 2006 17:19:48 GMT -5
Wow...giant debate on Zutara...and I'm siding with the Kataangs for the most part. SD...rocio and trustno are thinking "What is with Para??!!!" Lol. No, it is admirable to look beyond fan interpretations and people who want Katara and Zuko to be what how they see them in order to see that there are flaws with the ship. Kataang is flawed. Katara has never out and out admitted her feelings. All ships are flawed. People have to see that and accept that. Otherwise it does nothing but breed misconception, myth, and illogical interpretations.
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Post by Paraiba Ocean on Sept 11, 2006 17:19:49 GMT -5
A pretty awesome old man who's a pimp! Wewt...go Iroh. I saw some sig with Iroh wearing a pimp hat...made me laugh. Nothing wrong with being a pimp. I mean Sokka's a total pimp, but everyone loves him anyway ;D *shifty eyes* I am not a Sokka fangirl. *eye twitches and blinks really fast* Grr...curse my small skillz at lying. *shakes fist* You caught me. Lol...
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Post by Growly on Sept 11, 2006 17:22:59 GMT -5
*shifty eyes* I am not a Sokka fangirl. *eye twitches and blinks really fast* Grr...curse my small skillz at lying. *shakes fist* You caught me. Lol... Hehehe. Nothing wrong with liking Sokka. Heck, even I like Sokka! I even drew a picture of him: i32.photobucket.com/albums/d46/growlygenet/sokkayue-lineartsm.jpgAnd he has to be the easiest of the Avatar characters to draw. He's just so obliging. Total pimp. ;D
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Post by trustno1 on Sept 11, 2006 17:23:12 GMT -5
If she would think this way? Why helping Iroh to begin with? He was a highranking FN officer and Zuko refers to him as uncle. No, she doesn't blame Zuko for his fathers sins, she isn't as dump as that. Zuko was a small kid, when her mother was murdered and she pretty much will know that. And for Zuko giving up capturing the Avatar: Come on, we already got to see him attacking with Aang side by side Azula and seriously ZUKO and KUZO N? The creators couldn't be any more obvious then on the point, that Zuko will give up persuading the Avatar. Zuko actively supported the war. By supporting something it makes you are part of it, small kid or not. And Zuko was no small kid when he went into the war chamber. He stood up for the 41st, but he still supported the war. And she probably offered help to Iroh because no matter what she probably wouldn't want to see someone die. That does not pave the way for a romantic relationship. Putting aside anger and hate to save someone's life is a lot different than putting aside anger and hate to start a romantic relationship, especially with someone who has many issues. No, the only thing the fight showed was that they were battling Azula. Azula was standing between Zuko and the Avatar. Azula was trying to harm Aang and he was defending himself. There has been no clear indication that Zuko has given up on capturing the Avatar or given up on his hope that capturing Aang is the way for him to regain his throne. First of all, Zuko doesn't support the war of the FN, but his people: My father must be fool, if he thinks the whole world will kneel to him or something like this (said to Zhao in Southern Airtemple). It is also extremly unlikly that Katara knows about the warchamber incident, so there is no harm done there for possible Zutara moments. Helping Iroh, no matter if he is FN or not shows that Katara doesn't prejudge people, she most probably would see him as the person he is, especially after she has seen the situation Zuko is in now and putting hate aside and feeling compasion for somebody, who (as you seem to believe) Katara sees as one of the people responcible for her mothers death is less realistic, then seeing Zuko as a young man with alot of trouble on his head. For the capturing thing: I already stated why it is pretty obvious that he won't persue Aang in the future.
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Post by rocio on Sept 11, 2006 17:24:56 GMT -5
But you forget, that Amiras point was the prejudgment of Katara twords Zuko and unlike Zuko, Iroh is old enough to be even directly guilty for her moms murder. I think Amira's point was that Zuko's father/nation supported the war (and thus her mother's death) and that is a tough obstacle to over come if Katara and Zuko want to become a couple. And like I said before, Iroh proved he's a good man. That confrontation between both sides in the war, that full past of sadness and loss. And that resentment that both feel mutually. It is what causes that one wants that arises love from there. A history where two people with opposite lives and ideologies fall in love is excellent. For that reason the Zutarians. A relation between Zuko and Katara would be controversial. It would break all the prejudices and resentments that they feel. Obvious each country, to which they belong would be against it. And that makes this relation much more passional. The characters let themselves consume by their passion. That is the law. And Iroh, Iroh will open the doors of Zutara. Beleve me!
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Post by Kataang's Supreme on Sept 11, 2006 17:25:12 GMT -5
Not only that, but there is the major issue of Zuko's family being the direct cause of the war and the direct cause of all of Katara's misery. She's a caring girl, but she is also human and she might be angry and upset. That is a huge hurdle for someone to overcome and doesn't exactly lay a strong foundation for a romantic relationship. Zuko still, as far as we know, is still after the Avatar. Until he clearly says otherwise or demonstrates otherwise, he still could possibly want to capture Aang to regain his throne. If she would think this way? Why helping Iroh to begin with? He was a highranking FN officer and Zuko refers to him as uncle. No, she doesn't blame Zuko for his fathers sins, she isn't as dump as that. Zuko was a small kid, when her mother was murdered and she pretty much will know that. And for Zuko giving up capturing the Avatar: Come on, we already got to see him attacking with Aang side by side Azula and seriously ZUKO and KUZO N? The creators couldn't be any more obvious then on the point, that Zuko will give up persuading the Avatar. What about Aang? You think Katara will just leave Aang in the end after he admits his true feelings for her? Have you seen those Zutarian fanfics where stuff like that and worse happens? Moving on, after what happend in Book 1, with all those battles and fighting against Zuko, you think Katara will love him in anyway? Friends in the future, yes, but a romantic relationship??? Don't see it, in my view of things. Both scared by war, having family issues, and Katara's caring and healing hands will not be enough to put Zutara on the top alone. More facts and proving evidence, there must be some for Zutara, and I hate to admit it, but there probably is somewhere. As for Kataang, a strong bond with caring, understanding, feelings, painful pasts, both family and other problems, helping out each other, countless hugs, a kiss on the cheek, and maybe even a real kiss. Strong foundation and armor for a relationship that can withstand anything. I know I have no place in the Zutara War Room, and stay away from here most of the time, however, I couldn't ignore this matter. If I accidently offended anyone, I appologise.
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Post by trustno1 on Sept 11, 2006 17:28:38 GMT -5
But you forget, that Amiras point was the prejudgment of Katara twords Zuko and unlike Zuko, Iroh is old enough to be even directly guilty for her moms murder. I think Amira's point was that Zuko's father/nation supported the war (and thus her mother's death) and that is a tough obstacle to over come if Katara and Zuko want to become a couple. And like I said before, Iroh proved he's a good man. But thinking that Zuko is evil, just because of the fact he is FN royality IS prejudgment. And, if she (like you said) think that Iroh proved he's a good man, although he was a famous FN General, why refusing Zuko this right? He attacked Azula alongside with the gAang. He has proved to value his uncle more then his mission and Katara has seen it. He isn't the bad guy anymore, Azula is.
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Post by Growly on Sept 11, 2006 17:28:44 GMT -5
For the capturing thing: I already stated why it is pretty obvious that he won't persue Aang in the future. Of course he will! He's totally got an Aang-thing going on! Azula: "I must capture the Avatar to restore my honour" Aang: ... Azula: Oh fine. How about this: "I must capture the Avatar and sex him up" Aang: *Freak* Zuko!?
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Post by stinkypinky on Sept 11, 2006 17:29:52 GMT -5
For the capturing thing: I already stated why it is pretty obvious that he won't persue Aang in the future. Of course he will! He's totally got an Aang-thing going on! Azula: "I must capture the Avatar to restore my honour" Aang: ... Azula: Oh fine. How about this: "I must capture the Avatar and sex him up" Aang: *Freak* Zuko!? LOL booterfreak is love XD
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Post by Amira on Sept 11, 2006 17:30:33 GMT -5
Zuko actively supported the war. By supporting something it makes you are part of it, small kid or not. And Zuko was no small kid when he went into the war chamber. He stood up for the 41st, but he still supported the war. And she probably offered help to Iroh because no matter what she probably wouldn't want to see someone die. That does not pave the way for a romantic relationship. Putting aside anger and hate to save someone's life is a lot different than putting aside anger and hate to start a romantic relationship, especially with someone who has many issues. No, the only thing the fight showed was that they were battling Azula. Azula was standing between Zuko and the Avatar. Azula was trying to harm Aang and he was defending himself. There has been no clear indication that Zuko has given up on capturing the Avatar or given up on his hope that capturing Aang is the way for him to regain his throne. First of all, Zuko doesn't support the war of the FN, but his people: My father must be fool, if he thinks the whole world will kneel to him or something like this (said to Zhao in Southern Airtemple). It is also extremly unlikly that Katara knows about the warchamber incident, so there is no harm done there for possible Zutara moments. Helping Iroh, no matter if he is FN or not shows that Katara doesn't prejudge people, she most probably would see him as the person he is, especially after she has seen the situation Zuko is in now and putting hate aside and feeling compasion for somebody, who (as you seem to believe) Katara sees as one of the people responcible for her mothers death is less realistic, then seeing Zuko as a young man with alot of trouble on his head. For the capturing thing: I already stated why it is pretty obvious that he won't persue Aang in the future. Zuko's comment is not one that says he doesn't support the war. He was pointing out a an obvious flaw in his father's position, he was not saying he himself was against the war. Continuing this discussion with you is futile.
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Post by Growly on Sept 11, 2006 17:31:45 GMT -5
Of course he will! He's totally got an Aang-thing going on! Azula: "I must capture the Avatar to restore my honour" Aang: ... Azula: Oh fine. How about this: "I must capture the Avatar and sex him up" Aang: *Freak* Zuko!? LOL booterfreak is love XD That quote made me laugh so hard. I probably don't have it exactly right, but it's still funny.
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Post by trustno1 on Sept 11, 2006 17:33:28 GMT -5
For the capturing thing: I already stated why it is pretty obvious that he won't persue Aang in the future. Of course he will! He's totally got an Aang-thing going on! Azula: "I must capture the Avatar to restore my honour" Aang: ... Azula: Oh fine. How about this: "I must capture the Avatar and sex him up" Aang: *Freak* Zuko!? Sry but are you mocking about me? Okay one more time: Zuko attacking Azula in a combination of all four elements (and Sokkas boomerang). The gang having almost every bender type include to them in the Avatarcyyle : Aang (Air), Katara (Water), Toph (Earth)... and eventually Zuko (fire). And the most obvious: Aang: Do you think we could have been friends? (Kuzon)
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Post by Amira on Sept 11, 2006 17:33:42 GMT -5
LOL booterfreak is love XD That quote made me laugh so hard. I probably don't have it exactly right, but it's still funny. Growly, you owe me a new monitor. I spewed soda all over mine...LOL Ha ha ha, I made page 50!
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