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Post by deana on Oct 10, 2007 13:41:23 GMT -5
I would vote for the girl who tries to help him with his problems. The girl who would listens to him when he tries to tell her his inner turmoil and not brush it aside. A girl who is worthy of being the next Fire Lady and not worthy of being thrown in the nearest dungen for being evil. A girl who is not contributing to his descent into madness.
I seriously can't vote because this has yet to occur.
No one deserves him until he is a whole person. A whole person who not only deserves love, but can be loved in return. He is getting there, but he has a long way to go.
I refuse to vote for Mai. She is the girl for the Zuko who had not been banished. He is a different guy now and she is a fool for ignoring this. When he tried to reveal the conflicted Zuko, true to her selfish form, she brushed it aside. Unless she gets a complete 360 personalty change, she doesn't deserve the man he has every reason to become.
If Zuko stays a backstabber then they deserve each other. I can see Lord Backstabber and Lady Bored on the throne now. The people should revolt.
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Post by bibi on Oct 10, 2007 16:57:35 GMT -5
O please. We're looking for Zuko's love interest, not his new mother. I don't know where people get the idea (and I think most girls and women have got it) that a relationship with a man/woman starts by turning the poor one on something we want him to be, not who he is. No wonder, there's so much divorces nowaday.
And please, we should stop pitying that boy, Zuko may still be immature but he's not a baby anymore: for years Iroh had listened to his rantings and for what results ? Anyone in that show had to deal with Zuko's angstiness, from Azula who just acted as she cared to even Katara that nearly spoiled spirit water for his scar. He's not a baby, it's not sane to always pay attention to his pleas cause it's not that way he's gonna change. He's an adult and has to be treated like one, not put in the care of some girlfriend.
Why Azula works so well on him? Because, even if she knew what to say, she had the wit to give him the illusions that it was HIS decisions.
Why would Mai, or any girls that may go with him ad to cuddle him, raised him, telling him what to do, "bring the light out of him"? Zuko already done selfless action (Zuko Alone), he talked for the 41st division he never met, he had felt sorry for a lot of people around, he admitted when he was wrong. He doesn't need anyone to "bring the light out of him". Stop forgetting all of this and keep crying: "He betrayed Iroh! Die Zuko, die! OMG what an awful person!". Despite what Ozai and Azula had done to him, he kept liking them (The Chase). How many people can love no matter what?
Yes Zuko's actually doesn't have a clear goal but let's try to be in the context (without turning all fluffy and moany): he came home after three years at sea, with only company of few henchmen and his dear uncle he has to betray for being home. Three years away: I guess that's worth a little nap at dawn. Not a chance, the bra...Azula's got something under her sleeves. Dang. He'd be glad to look at that but, Dang, Aang's alive and if he doesn't to return fishing in deep water, this time alone, he better got a nice idea. Too bad, Dang, his guilt is starting over: ah, if uncle Iroh was there, he'd give me a good idea how to get out of his mess. If Zuko wasn"t a bit desoriented at this point of the plot...
And, for the nth times, mai isn't the devil. Just cause you're incapable to read her mind as easily as the others characters doesn't make her evil. Mai has a whole idea of how thinks work: that why she didn't freak out like most of us would in Omashu, she wasn't scared about Tom-Tom cause no resistants with their right minds would hurt the son's governor, after Azula's implied order not to deliver Bumi, minutes after she called her father incapable, she had either rescued Tom-Tom by force (witch appeared less complicated giving Azula's powers, Ty Lee's abilities and her owns) and contended the princess(who represented the FireLord's authority at this point) OR disobeyed Azula's order, "trusted Tom-Tom kidnappers" (anyone who's got a little brother/sister/nephew/niece/child can do that, right?) to follow the plan, "hoped" azula won't decide to take matters on her own and later not make the whole family (Tom-Tom included) suffer her wrath. Someone with less wisdom would have made the mistake, she didn't. The same wisdom makes her think sitting on the machine of SotFN, Omashu or the Fire Nation boring and I agree: she's worth better than that.
She didn't bring Zuko down and neither did Azula : he did the job by himself, he made the wrong decisions since he came in the War Chamber. And he did because he has no self-control over himself, he's passionate. In other hand, Mai has self-control but nothing truly can sustained her attention.
Her self-control is what Zuko needs, his passion is what Mai needs. Everything's well in balance in Maiko...
'Night.
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Post by KrystalFruit22 on Oct 10, 2007 17:26:02 GMT -5
Nicely said bibi . Based on the way Zuko's been acting recently, I think the title of this thread should be 'which girl does Zuko deserve' rather than the other way around.
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Post by The Blue Chibi on Oct 10, 2007 18:16:08 GMT -5
Yes, bibi ~ some very good points. Karma in a bit. Personally, I don't think Zuko would be happy with any of them unless he realizes that in a long-term relationship, the girl will not stay the same as she was when they met. I've heard it said that when a woman marries a man, she is often seeking to change or "improve" him, while when a man marries a woman he expects her to stay the same. ^.^ My personality dictates that I like the fiery passion of couples like Zuko/Katara, but that doesn't mean it would be a smooth relationship. I'd expect some stormy arguments out of that one (and oh, some interesting making up). . . People are free to ship what they like, however, and I think we could all learn a lot from each other by discussing our ships calmly in an interesting thread like this one.
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Post by deana on Oct 10, 2007 19:12:09 GMT -5
O please. We're looking for Zuko's love interest, not his new mother. I don't know where people get the idea (and I think most girls and women have got it) that a relationship with a man/woman starts by turning the poor one on something we want him to be, not who he is. No wonder, there's so much divorces nowaday. And please, we should stop pitying that boy, Zuko may still be immature but he's not a baby anymore: for years Iroh had listened to his rantings and for what results ? Anyone in that show had to deal with Zuko's angstiness, from Azula who just acted as she cared to even Katara that nearly spoiled spirit water for his scar. He's not a baby, it's not sane to always pay attention to his pleas cause it's not that way he's gonna change. He's an adult and has to be treated like one, not put in the care of some girlfriend. Why Azula works so well on him? Because, even if she knew what to say, she had the wit to give him the illusions that it was HIS decisions. Why would Mai, or any girls that may go with him ad to cuddle him, raised him, telling him what to do, "bring the light out of him"? Zuko already done selfless action (Zuko Alone), he talked for the 41st division he never met, he had felt sorry for a lot of people around, he admitted when he was wrong. He doesn't need anyone to "bring the light out of him". Stop forgetting all of this and keep crying: "He betrayed Iroh! Die Zuko, die! OMG what an awful person!". Despite what Ozai and Azula had done to him, he kept liking them (The Chase). How many people can love no matter what? Yes Zuko's actually doesn't have a clear goal but let's try to be in the context (without turning all fluffy and moany): he came home after three years at sea, with only company of few henchmen and his dear uncle he has to betray for being home. Three years away: I guess that's worth a little nap at dawn. Not a chance, the bra...Azula's got something under her sleeves. Dang. He'd be glad to look at that but, Dang, Aang's alive and if he doesn't to return fishing in deep water, this time alone, he better got a nice idea. Too bad, Dang, his guilt is starting over: ah, if uncle Iroh was there, he'd give me a good idea how to get out of his mess. If Zuko wasn"t a bit desoriented at this point of the plot... And, for the nth times, mai isn't the devil. Just cause you're incapable to read her mind as easily as the others characters doesn't make her evil. Mai has a whole idea of how thinks work: that why she didn't freak out like most of us would in Omashu, she wasn't scared about Tom-Tom cause no resistants with their right minds would hurt the son's governor, after Azula's implied order not to deliver Bumi, minutes after she called her father incapable, she had either rescued Tom-Tom by force (witch appeared less complicated giving Azula's powers, Ty Lee's abilities and her owns) and contended the princess(who represented the FireLord's authority at this point) OR disobeyed Azula's order, "trusted Tom-Tom kidnappers" (anyone who's got a little brother/sister/nephew/niece/child can do that, right?) to follow the plan, "hoped" azula won't decide to take matters on her own and later not make the whole family (Tom-Tom included) suffer her wrath. Someone with less wisdom would have made the mistake, she didn't. The same wisdom makes her think sitting on the machine of SotFN, Omashu or the Fire Nation boring and I agree: she's worth better than that. She didn't bring Zuko down and neither did Azula : he did the job by himself, he made the wrong decisions since he came in the War Chamber. And he did because he has no self-control over himself, he's passionate. In other hand, Mai has self-control but nothing truly can sustained her attention. Her self-control is what Zuko needs, his passion is what Mai needs. Everything's well in balance in Maiko... 'Night. Well I consider everything that happened to him, including his relationship with “forever am I bored” Mai, as a freaking punishment for his backstabbing ways. He is in a trap of his own making and when he gets him and Iroh out of it, then I will care about him being in a relationship. I might even learn to tolerate Maiko, if she rebels against Azula to help him, but I don’t think that will happen, and if she does Azula will probably track her down and shove a lightning bolt up her bored butt. Nowhere in my post did I say anything about a new mother for him. I would want the same behavior from Zoku toward her. It would not be right for any girl to be with him at this point, because he is not who is going to be and is currently a backstabber who is going insane. Who he becomes may not be someone that any girl on this list wants to be with. I will think Maiko is well and balanced when and only when Zuko stops his descent into madness, which he himself admitted of to Iroh. Until then, Maiko will only serve as bad comedy relief, for me, and nothing that really brings out the best in either character.
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Post by jillrg on Oct 10, 2007 21:08:37 GMT -5
Everyone keep in kind Zuko wouldn't turn into some suave, debonair, romantic Prince Charming if he was in a relationship with Katara. He's too real for that portrayal, which pops up in many a Zutara fic. He would be as simple and awkward and sweet and genuine as he is around Jin and Mai. The canon Zuko is not the same Zuko that Zutarians pair up with Katara.
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Post by mindbender18 on Oct 10, 2007 21:17:55 GMT -5
Exactly, that's why "You're so beautiful when you hate the world" was so hard to swallow for most people
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Post by jillrg on Oct 10, 2007 21:56:39 GMT -5
^ No harder to enjoy than "Well, if it was a choice between kissing you and dying..."
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Post by mindbender18 on Oct 10, 2007 22:10:02 GMT -5
^ No harder to enjoy than "Well, if it was a choice between kissing you and dying..." but Aang's gotten much better (The Headband) but Zuko........well he's got Mai. Gotta be doing something right i guess
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Post by Grimmjow of the Funk on Oct 10, 2007 22:13:14 GMT -5
how about all of them he can be like king solomon and his bunch of wives or concubines or whatever. can't a brotha get some shawties in this bi***?
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Post by mindbender18 on Oct 10, 2007 22:16:22 GMT -5
he wouldn't know what to do with them
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Post by jillrg on Oct 10, 2007 22:29:59 GMT -5
^ No harder to enjoy than "Well, if it was a choice between kissing you and dying..." but Aang's gotten much better (The Headband) but Zuko........well he's got Mai. Gotta be doing something right i guess Yes, Aang now gets to be smooth and charming; one of the perks of being the protagonist. I prefer the realism in Mai's and Zuko's relationship. Zuko and Katara as star-crossed, forbidden lovers would be redundant... and not just because of "American Dragon: Jake Long." It's just a redundant plot device. How many teenaged couples on tv actually laugh, cuddle, and make out like real teenaged couples?
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Post by Zenjamin on Oct 10, 2007 22:50:26 GMT -5
Which girl deserves Zuko? humm... thats a toughie. so many to choose from... but i think that would have to be Li, with Lo as a close second. i would have said Koh. but you did specify it to be female. but if you will accept Koh with a female baboon's face, ill change my answer.
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Post by Silent_E on Oct 11, 2007 11:54:26 GMT -5
I think Zuko should be alone by the end of the series. That way he can spend all his time focusing on his nation and himself. (Isn't that what he does right now anyway. ) Yeah, that would be the best ending I can think of. (Especially now that there is no chance for him to have feelings for Katara, not saying that they would have to be a couple at the end.)
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Post by jillrg on Oct 11, 2007 12:00:16 GMT -5
IMO, the question is only which girl should he be with now. By the end of the series, Zuko's going to be dead.
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