nandireya
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Zuko
Nov 13, 2008 23:04:50 GMT -5
Post by nandireya on Nov 13, 2008 23:04:50 GMT -5
Zuko has his head on straight? What gives you that impression?
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Zuko
Nov 14, 2008 1:33:52 GMT -5
Post by dragonflly on Nov 14, 2008 1:33:52 GMT -5
Let's see if we can get some better wording, I don't think anyone really has there head on straight. How about since Zuko's seen the light? Does that work?
Reguardless, we must celebrate, we waited so long for it, we and Zuko deserve it!
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Zuko
Nov 14, 2008 17:36:44 GMT -5
Post by wildimagination on Nov 14, 2008 17:36:44 GMT -5
Ahhhhhh, sorry. I wasn't sure how to word that. -_-
WHO WANTS SAKE?! XD lol jk
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Zuko
Nov 14, 2008 18:57:49 GMT -5
Post by bacwas on Nov 14, 2008 18:57:49 GMT -5
For me, it's only been about 8 weeks since Zuko saw the light(when I watched the moment on my dvds). It's definitely worth celebrating, though.
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nandireya
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Zuko
Nov 15, 2008 1:42:06 GMT -5
Post by nandireya on Nov 15, 2008 1:42:06 GMT -5
Zuko always knew what was right...he was just torn because his duty as prince of the Fire Nation demanded he do the opposite. That was why he was so conflicted and angry all the time until The Eclipse, he was being who he was expected to be and not who he wanted to be.
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Zuko
Nov 17, 2008 22:36:55 GMT -5
Post by asian malaysian on Nov 17, 2008 22:36:55 GMT -5
Rewatched the last four episodes of season 2. The ending of CoD is now becoming much more bearable. Zuko thought he knew what he wanted and made the wrong decision with eyes open. This made him particularly effective in the battle as he was not under any conflict at the time. He would later regret his decision and redeem himself. Now part of me is now wondering why it took Iroh so long to show up.
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Zuko
Nov 18, 2008 2:03:59 GMT -5
Post by dragonflly on Nov 18, 2008 2:03:59 GMT -5
Because Iroh held his hand long enough. Zuko had to do this on his own, Iroh couldn't help him any longer. Iroh was on a mission to take back Ba Sing Se, he knew Zuko would do the right thing eventually. Iroh had to let Zuko learn on his own, the hard way, tough love so to speak, but he knew Zuko would take his own path; which just happens to be on the same path as Iroh.
But I will agree that we did not see Iroh nearly enough in season 3. And no where near enough in the finale. But it was a VERY satisfying reunion between Iroh and Zuko, I cried, and I never cry!!!!! That was very beautifully done.
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nandireya
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Zuko
Nov 18, 2008 4:17:39 GMT -5
Post by nandireya on Nov 18, 2008 4:17:39 GMT -5
Rewatched the last four episodes of season 2. The ending of CoD is now becoming much more bearable. Zuko thought he knew what he wanted and made the wrong decision with eyes open. This made him particularly effective in the battle as he was not under any conflict at the time. He would later regret his decision and redeem himself. Now part of me is now wondering why it took Iroh so long to show up. Actually...I heard that Mike and Bryan say in the commentary for the season two finale...that I've never listened to...that the reason Zuko was so effective in that battle was because all his pent up rage, frustration and confusion kinda exploded out of him.
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Zuko
Nov 18, 2008 12:47:27 GMT -5
Post by bacwas on Nov 18, 2008 12:47:27 GMT -5
You know after Zuko recovers from his "spiritual" illness and he is uncharacteristically happy, why exactly do you think that is? I'm sure he's relieved that he feels better and is through with the freaky dreams, but what exactly did the illness do for him? He's uber happy for a few hours, then meets up with Azula and everything goes down the crapper. So obviously, Zuko hadn't achieved any kind of real peace because of the illness.
Do you think he would have maintained his happy state if Azula hadn't shown up in Ba Sing Se and met Zuko, reminding him once again of all that he's lost and all that he wants back?
I'm getting close to the last few episodes of Book 2 again in my rewatch. I know it will still hurt when I watch Zuko side with Azula. But I do understand his decision completely. Here's a young man who's had 3 years of his life stolen from him. He was forced to leave his home(such as it was), his country and everything familiar. He lost the chance to interact with others his age, make friends, socialize etc. His mother mysteriously left(and Zuko probably feels somehow responsible for this too)...one who loved him unconditionally. He's an outcast. His father and sister have nothing but disdain for him, he was publicly humiliated and physically and emotionally scarred by his father for life. His father, who is supposed to love and protect him, instead did something unspeakable to Zuko. On some level, Zuko understands all this. But on another level, he feels as if he screwed up and he deserved his punishment. So he wants to gain his father's love and respect once and for all, by doing what was asked of him......get the avatar. And he wants to go home...not be a refugee who has to hide his identity.
Azula comes along and offers him home, "honour", his father's respect etc. Put that agains a life on the run with the avatar and you have Zuko's choice. But he has to betray Iroh, the one person who has stood by Zuko and has always had faith in him. As soon as the deed is done, Zuko is miserable and conflicted. The only time he's happy back in the Fire Nation is when he's with Mai.
I truly believe it was essential for Zuko to make that bad choice and go back to the Fire Nation as Prince Zuko . For him to reject the Fire Nation as it was run by Ozai, for him to reject his father once and for all and make that break, he had to experience his old life once again. Only then could he realize what an utter bastard his father is, how manipulative and hateful Azula is and how the Fire Nation is an evil force in the world at that point. When Iroh's out of Zuko's life, he realizes just how wonderful a man Iroh really is and how much Iroh loved and guided him.
Now, Zuko's ready to join the gaang and fight against his father. It's not that hard to do now that everything is clear to him. But he does have to leave behind Mai, one other person who clearly loves Zuko. His decision is more meaningful because he has to make a sacrifice.
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Zuko
Nov 26, 2008 21:03:49 GMT -5
Post by bacwas on Nov 26, 2008 21:03:49 GMT -5
Does anyone ever get ticked off about all the "Zukos is stupid" or "Zuko is slow" comments out there? I know he's oblivious sometimes(like when it comes to dealing with people/relationships/friendships....but then again he's missing a lot of experience in that regard. 3 years of banishment and isolation will do that to you), but he's hardly stupid.
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Zuko
Nov 26, 2008 21:28:03 GMT -5
Post by wildimagination on Nov 26, 2008 21:28:03 GMT -5
When did you hear that "Zuko is stupid"? Because people thought he was stupid after Crossroads of Destiny when he sided with Azula.
I don't think he's stupid.
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Zuko
Nov 26, 2008 21:39:13 GMT -5
Post by bacwas on Nov 26, 2008 21:39:13 GMT -5
People refer to him as stupid or dense or slow in all kinds of posts on lots of message boards....sometimes in good fun but not always. You haven't noticed? Maybe I'm just too sensitive.
Anyway, he's definitely not stupid.
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nandireya
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Nov 27, 2008 1:37:01 GMT -5
Post by nandireya on Nov 27, 2008 1:37:01 GMT -5
Aang mentioned it in the show too (in The Firebending Masters)...but he has shown incredible intelligence on many episodes.
In The Waterbending Scroll the pirate captain wanted to search the woods...Zuko very wisely stated that they'd be on the water...
His infiltration of the Northern Water Tribe took a lot of thinking (and Zhao's crew)...and he did that on the fly (knowing the tigerseals had to be going somewhere they could breathe)...of course things didn't go so well after he got out of there...
He and Sokka pretty much switched places in The Boiling Rock...he planning ahead while Sokka made things up as he went along...
Finding June to find Aang...
Zuko was focused and so missed a lot of things...or ignored them...and he made bad decisions...but he was never stupid.
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Zuko
Nov 27, 2008 12:45:00 GMT -5
Post by Amira on Nov 27, 2008 12:45:00 GMT -5
I am by far not a Zuko fan (I much prefer Aang) but even I know he's never been stupid. Misguided, hurt, bad-decision-making, lost, etc. but not stupid. Kind of bugs me that people call him stupid.
But then again, mis-characterization by fans usually bugs me. Aang is often a victim of it.
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Nov 28, 2008 2:41:35 GMT -5
Post by nandireya on Nov 28, 2008 2:41:35 GMT -5
In what way is Aang a victim of mis-characterisation?
Whoa! I'm only 10 posts awat from 6000!
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