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Post by =Dr. Flabortast= on Mar 5, 2008 7:53:56 GMT -5
no... FN knows about the comet. Watch "The Blue Spirit"
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Post by attonbitus on Mar 5, 2008 11:25:16 GMT -5
... I'm think that Ozai won't die at the end. He'll probably suffer something far worse than death for him... Some how Aang will be able to completely cut Ozai off from firebending permanently. For someone who places firebending strength as one of the most important reason why one is suited to rule it might actually make him go mad.
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Post by Silent_E on Mar 5, 2008 11:53:33 GMT -5
no... FN knows about the comet. Watch "The Blue Spirit" Yep, it seems you're right about that one. I think it's suprising that they haven't shown an episode about the history of this comet. All they told us was that Sozin used it to fuel the war, but there has to be more to it. Oh well.
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Post by fireprincessgiorgi on Mar 5, 2008 17:23:05 GMT -5
... I'm think that Ozai won't die at the end. He'll probably suffer something far worse than death for him... Some how Aang will be able to completely cut Ozai off from firebending permanently. For someone who places firebending strength as one of the most important reason why one is suited to rule it might actually make him go mad. I think firebending IS a requirement for Fire Lord. Every Fire Lord that's been shown has been a bender; it may not be an official rule but it's definitely implied, and at the very least makes sense.
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Post by yiceman on Mar 5, 2008 22:39:17 GMT -5
Here's how I see it.
It's common knowledge that the comet comes every 100 years. For this to be known, the comet has to have been on this cycle for several centuries.
This means that, if it were automatic, every 100 years firebenders would be empowered. Yet we know this is not the case.
If it's mere presence boosted all the firebenders, then why is it SOZIN'S Comet? The comet is credited to him because he discovered how to use it.
What I take this to mean is that Ozai figured out how to initiate a connection between the comet and our world, thus allowing ALL firebenders to gain strength. Ozai was the conductor channeling the energy, if you will.
@silent_E -- Do you have any idea how hard it is to pitch this kind or show and get it made? Why on earth would the creators risk not getting the show made at all just for something they don't even need to tell their story?
Displaying death on screen is not necessary to the narrative of this show. It would make the show more serious, doubtless, but it's nothing worth fighting for in the negotiation room.
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Post by melloyello on Mar 5, 2008 23:04:05 GMT -5
If Ozai does have to do something special to unlock the comet's power, then I would guess the war meeting that Azula and Zuko weren't allowed to go to (during the Beach episode) would be about plans for this event. (At first I thought that meeting was about the DOBS invasion, but Azula knew about that, so there was no reason to send her off.)
The comet concept is starting to grow on me...
It looks like the general consensus is that Zuko will fight Azula in the finale. So the end of his story is either A) he beats Azula, and goes on to rule the FN (or be Iroh's heir), or B) he doesn't beat Azula, and ... dies? Have I missed any possiblities??
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Post by fireprincessgiorgi on Mar 9, 2008 13:10:37 GMT -5
Or he doesn't beat Azula and someone saves him and helps him escape and/or beats Azula. I'm thinking Aang. Or Katara
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Post by admirality on Mar 9, 2008 13:41:23 GMT -5
... I'm think that Ozai won't die at the end. He'll probably suffer something far worse than death for him... Some how Aang will be able to completely cut Ozai off from firebending permanently. For someone who places firebending strength as one of the most important reason why one is suited to rule it might actually make him go mad. I think firebending IS a requirement for Fire Lord. Every Fire Lord that's been shown has been a bender; it may not be an official rule but it's definitely implied, and at the very least makes sense. I like the whole Ozai not dying idea But it wud be better obviously if he kept his firebending and thorne and what not And I agree firebending IS probly a requiremnt of the firelord... For a start he obvioulsy has to be able to control the flames around the throne. It wud be rather ridiculous if he died on the throne coz the fire got outt hand.... This is another reason why I don't think Ursa will becoem firelord.. It aint shown that she is a bender but I think she isn't...
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Post by legends on Mar 10, 2008 8:06:05 GMT -5
If it's mere presence boosted all the firebenders, then why is it SOZIN'S Comet? The comet is credited to him because he discovered how to use it. It empowered all firebenders whenever it came by long before Sozin came along. He was just the first to tap into the power in order to take over the world. It was probably renamed Sozin's comet after he used it to conquer. Even if a Firenation leader had wanted to use it before Sozin. There had always been an Avatar around to stop him.
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Post by yiceman on Mar 10, 2008 15:00:15 GMT -5
I don't think so, otherwise it would have had a name of it's own. People don't just up and rename things.
Also, after thousands of years of the comet empowering them, you can't honestly tell me that no one ever before Sozin used it to their military advantage. That means that out of thousands of leaders of the FN, not a one went for it. I can't buy that, even with the Avatar.
The Avatar isn't this amazing being that prevents all wars from happening. We've seen evidence of that in the show. In Avatar Day Kyoshi told a story about Chin the Great who conquered much of the Earth Kingdom. She didn't try to stop him until he attacked her personally.
Also, listen to what Roku said in the Avatar Roku episode. He told Aang to stop Ozai BEFORE the comet. This means that even as the Avatar, Aang doesn't stand a chance against the empowered firebenders.
The Avatar is just one person. He or she cannot fight an entire nation.
I mean, imagine that an average firebender gets boosted by the comet. They're probably now equal to or above Avatar power in bending. Except there's thousands of them. There isn't much an Avatar can do. Even if the other nations all engaged in the war (excluding the Air Nomads who don't appear to fight in wars unless directly attacked), the Fire Nation has many, many benders, and now all of them are at or above Avatar power. It's a massacre.
So...no. I do not buy at all that the Firebenders sat on this knowledge that, if they wanted, they could take over the world right now, for a thousand years before Sozin decided to go for it.
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Post by nandireya on Mar 11, 2008 1:52:03 GMT -5
Ah, but yice my friend, the comet was indeed renamed...Azula said so in The Avatar and the Fire Lord...
He famously waited for the comet, later renamed Sozin's comet, and used its power to launch his full-scale invasion of the world.
My guess is it probably did boost them before then, but they didn't have a leader with delusions of grandeur before Sozin, and they used the power to improve their quality of life instead, leading to their ...unprecedented time of peace and wealth...and Zuko and Iroh will probably use its power to undo as much of what was done as they can...
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Post by attonbitus on Mar 11, 2008 9:44:27 GMT -5
You know it makes me wonder if there was a previous taboo on using the comet's power in a past age. Maybe when the old council of fire sages were in charge they had a proclamation stating that the FN could never use the comet's power for conflict.
From an internal perspective it makes sense. Lets say that long ago in the past before the FN was joined as one nation, various FN cities states made war on each other. We know how destructive fire can be and in a war between firebenders you've got to think the devastation to the surrounding land was pretty wide spread. Increase the power of said warring firebenders 10 fold and you could easily see all the lands getting burned to such a state to where it would take years to recover. This would make any victory a Pyhrric one.
In order to save the lands and prevent famine the sages would state that it would be forbidden for any fire city state to make war during this time. Also, it would make sense they would restrict firebending during this time since the sudden onset of power for most novice firebenders could be a major problem.
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Post by yiceman on Mar 11, 2008 13:58:38 GMT -5
Ah, nice catch Nadi...I suppose we won't really know until the finale.
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Post by textbender on Apr 30, 2008 16:05:47 GMT -5
"Aang is already burdened with murder...you think the countless Avatars that came before him didn't kill in the line of duty? Kyoshi addmited it!" But we see that she didn't really kill the guy. He took a wrong step and fell. I hope that's not foreshadowing. I can't decide who is more evil, Azula or Ozai. It's easy to say Azula, but perhaps she is more crazy than evil (which means very crazy). Ozai seems less evil only because he is less crazy. He is just evil. He was able to marry and have children, which Azula seems incapable of. BUt Ozai was willing to kill his own son and father for power. I would like to see crazy Azula fall into an abyss of despair and yet find a way out into some sort of rehab. I think Ozai is beyond salvageable. He is an adult making all these evil choices. Azula is still young. It would be interesting for me if there was the least bit chance of partial redemption with her. Although... she had no problem seeing her brother die. I think it could be interesting, if she ends up at Zuko's mercy, to see what he chooses to do with her. I don't think she'd appreciate any kindness though. She'd call it weakness. I just wonder whom Katara is bloodbending. Ty Lee perhaps won't be an opponent any more, Azula will face Zuko, Ozai will face Aang, so... anyone interesting left?
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