Post by admirality on Feb 27, 2008 11:05:29 GMT -5
Besides...how many of us see the 'bad guy' winning?
I agree it wud be so contrived and actually, in my opinion, a complete waste of the whole avatar series if they do do a rubbish Disney - esc death for Azula/Ozai (Plz don't kill Ozai).....
And they pretty much showed Jet dying on screen, ok there was no blood but he got smacked by a rock in the abdominals there wud have been massive internal bleeding and hemeraging come on Nick if u can show that and what/ what was implied then why not do a proper death.....
However I don't see Zuko or Aang killing ne one.... At least not directly..... Its a kids show I don't (even for baddies) think they'll portray the two heros as killers,...... (there's hope for Ozai yet )
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Maybe a little, but as Nan said Mai and Ty Lee just aren't that important, and they've never really been crucial to the narrative. Mai's only been in season 3 because of her fling with Zuko, and Ty Lee hasn't had a single plot-relevant appearance.
Well, perhaps not but they are extremely involved in both of the Fire Sibs characters arcs. Mai is the anti hero’s love interest and the dynamic of Azula oppressing her friends/minions is pretty heavy in her character. So, I’d be surprised/disappointed if they aren’t involved in the end of the story.
I understand that they are unable to show someone dying onscreen, (though I cannot figure out why a show with so many restrictions is aired at 8:30 with a mature content rider before the actual show), but I still think they can come up with something better than, say, Azula directing lightning at Zuko and hitting a mirror, thereby frying herself.
Well, of course. For another example, Jet’s death was an extremely good one. He was never fully redeemed (or, at least not as much in Zuko in DOBS) so his gray character was able to stay together. By Jet’s death the Freedom Fighters were also able to stay consistent: they were fighting for their leader until the end.
So, even if Ozai’s and or Azula’s death has to be censored (Avatar has pushed Nick limits before so...) I’m confident they’ll be tasteful. To be honest, they have to be. The entire point of the story is pretty much to defeat Ozai and bring peace to the world and Azula’s being crazy and needing to go down has been emphasized time and time again.
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Post by Escalus (Syn) on Feb 27, 2008 19:11:15 GMT -5
And with the series preety much ending, you have to think that they would try to get as close to the line as possible. I'm hoping for something that deals with a mass attack, that renders Ozai crippled. Then we can have an interesting end of diologe.
I'm sure Mai and Ty Lee will be present in the end...I just don't believe they will affect the major outcome of events in any serious way.
You could honestly take Mai and Ty Lee out of the story entirely and have no difference to the narrative.
Azula's manipulation? We see that all the time.
Zuko's romance? It hasn't done anything for the story at all. Zuko isn't better or worse for it.
They'll probably just remain background characters. I don't foresee a big event of them dramatically making amends. Maybe a minor ta-doo of switching sides at most.
Now, I dunno about Azula, though I do honestly doubt that they could actually have Zuko directly kill her.
But my theory with Ozai has him connecting with the comet in the end. Aang manages to destroy the comet, and Ozai, being the one who initiated the contact, gets fried along with it. He's killed by his own ambition, basically.
Post by fireprincessgiorgi on Feb 29, 2008 19:24:51 GMT -5
Sadly I agree. I wish I didn't; they have great potential. And yiceman, I like the being killed by his own ambition thing. And then Aang won't have the burden of the murder on his soul, which I know would majorly mess him up.
Well Aang already killed hundred's of nameless soldiers in the Siege of the North episodes, and don't tell me it was the Koi fish during all the work. As for Aang killing Ozai, if Ozai must die in the end, I would rather Aang being the one to do it because he is the one who has to defeat him. I don't want crap like Ozai killing himself, or Iroh sacrificing himself in some way to take him down, all of that is cliché and boring. So what Aang's 12 years old, that never stopped him from doing anything before.
As for the end of Zuko's story, I just hope he comes out a man in the end. He's the oldest out of the main bunch and yet, I wonder if he is the 12 year old at times.
I just don't see the end of the show being a glorified assassination with Aang holding the knife. It really doesn't fit the show, imo, to have Aang directly and openly take a life. They've never done that.
All that is crucial is that Aang STOP Ozai...that's what's important to his story. I don't see how it's crucial for him to actually kill Ozai first-hand.
It's going to be a one-on-one match up between Aang and Ozai. We know Ozai isn't going to go easy on Aang just because of his age. (Just look at what happened to Zuko when he faced him at that age.) It wouldn't be a bloody death, more like the way Jet died. It would make for an interesting setting later on because Aang would have to face Zuko afterwards, not that I think Zuko would be hard on Aang about it.
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I'm not saying I necessarily want Aang to kill Ozai, but I would like to see Aang come to the realization that Ozai may fight to the death, and that killing him might be necessary. Obviously, Aang would struggle with this idea, but introducing the possibility of Aang having to kill Ozai in order to stop him would add some realism to the show. This could be done with some brief dialogue between Zuko and Aang. What I don't want to see is the writers sending Aang off to defeat the fire lord without any discussion of what that might actually entail, or what defeating the fire lord means to Aang.
But this thread is about Zuko. His situation is actually more interesting, because Azula is his sister. While I could see Ozai being defeated and later imprisoned, I think Azula needs to be gone for good. (Only my opinion, of course.) If Azula lives, and is sent to prison, she'll only manipulate and scheme her way out. Given that this is the end of the storyline, I want it made clear that there is no way she can ever cause trouble again. Yet, I don't want Zuko to kill her - she's still his sister. Furthermore, I don't want her to kill herself by accident (falling off cliff, bending lightinging into herself etc), because we've already seen that she's too skilled to do something like that.
What if Zuko/Azula and Ozai/Aang do thier big fights in the same room? Ozai could accidentially strike Azula while aiming for Aang. Since Azula doesn't know how to redirect lightning, this would kill her. Ozai could give up the FN throne without a fight, realizing that he has gone too far in his quest for power.
Sure Aang is going to do a one-on-one fight with Ozai in the end...but I don't see him striking an open, killing blow.
Nick just would not allow it. You referenced Jet's death, and yet they were not even allowed to show A) Long Feng actually hitting him or B) that he actually died.
The writers had to TELL us that Jet is dead.
That's not the kind of end I want to see to this show...where they have to tell us he's dead.
The pure and simple of it is that Nick does not allow images of someone seriously killing another person. They can't even really SAY that it happened. Which is why even having Azula kill Ozai or vice versa can't happen.
If they die, it'll have to be a kind of glorious shabang much like