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Post by paku on Mar 25, 2012 11:00:08 GMT -5
prediction: Korra will enter the avatar state during a match
question: Can water benders not use ice during matches?
as far as them running out of energy. I think it's just an inconsistency. Note that Mako and Bolin went up against the ropes and took all their punches like Muhammad Ali.
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kooties
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Post by kooties on Mar 25, 2012 11:04:57 GMT -5
this episode was awesome, absolutely awesome. 9 / 10.
Aang's whole family is very likable. Nice to see that they all have that very relaxed "airbender" attitude (yes, even cranky old Tenzin). And the way that the two girls comforted their dad after his spat with Korra was just heartwarming.
Pro-bending is awesome. At first I thought I wouldn't like Mako, but seeing that he has this boxing / mma style had me throw that thought right out the window. I absolutely love the combo, and I've been wanting it ever since I've gotten into avatar.
As for the negatives, it would be the more "zoomed" in nature of the fight scenes (and the shipping), but that's about it really.
Awesome start, to what is hopefully an awesome series.
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Post by Musogato on Mar 25, 2012 13:26:53 GMT -5
I would still contend that this is inconsistent with some of the more ridiculous and long fights from the original series. EG In Bato of the Water Tribe when Zuko fights Aaang. They're jumping all over buildings and stuff and neither of them gets too worn out to bend despite the fatigue they show. It always appeared to me that "sports stamina" had minimal bearing on "bending stamina/chi" (if this even exists in the show). Counterexample? No disagreements here, although I think the different variables could have affected things as well. In your example, Aang and Zuko are incredibly passionate about their fighting reasons, and while they are jumping all around, there are breaks between the bending. They pause when they fly into a wall, etc. The traditional martial arts style might also help in conserving energy, but then again the bending can be so grandiose it might not matter if there is an extra toll for it. The people themselves should be taken into consideration as well. Most of the main benders are highly skilled or will be within a season or two, and their lifestyle of participating in a world at war is quite different compared to the assumable peace that Republic City has been in. Less popular, it's also possible Mike and Bryan just tweaked the rules. They've mentioned before in previous interviews and at last year's SDCC that they.... where's that quote. Ah, here: "In every way we’re trying to improve [the show]. We’re not trying to change it so much that it’s unrecognizable and doesn’t feel like the same universe, but we are trying to update it, improve it, make everything just more sophisticated and appealing." With that in mind, because the martial art style has changed, it makes sense that the bending stamina would change as well to match it. Although it's still a saturday morning cartoon, the Pro-bending matches are supposed to be more like boxing/MMA fights rather than superheroes duking it out for the fate of the world. That quote is also part of why the flying bison and lemurs look different in LOK, as well as the human proportions. (I can't really see the difference, but apparently the faces/heads are smaller this time around.) As for the ice, I imagine they wouldn't because they wouldn't want to accidentally impale someone. Nevermind, it's mentioned in the rules that waterbenders can't freeze water during the match.
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attonbitus
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Post by attonbitus on Mar 25, 2012 15:34:45 GMT -5
Loved the first two eps. Republic City defiantly has that Colonial Hong Kong feel to it. I'm not sold on Mako, he seems too much like a Zuko clone without the father/banishment/scarring issues. Bolin is fun, though so far not memorable as a potential main character.
Tai Zen is interesting as Korra's air master, but I'm wondering why his siblings couldn't teach Korra. Course I'm assuming they're also air bending masters. Course i'm sure everyone is still wondering what is the state of air benders now.
Favorite scene is the metal bender chase. I thought I'd be a little off put by the metal bending since, Toph did it by bending the earth impurities in the metal. And the mental used by these police guys seem to be highly refined wires (low impurities...) but whatever, I'll go with it for the sake of "cool".
On pro bending. It's obvious it was designed with "low" power, non lethal bending in mind. The amount of "earth" available limits "turtling" tactics as well as "earth wall pushing". This also show's in the fact that mobility is key defensively since they're not actually standing on "earth". War style bending makes more sense when you're surrounded by earth and want to stay connected.
In effect, it's a game to replace real "fighting". Still not bad as a "pro" sport.
Since they have cars... I wonder if there are guns in this era. In ours, guns came before cars. It would make sense in that this is what gives the "common" man the ability to kill without a lot of training. Course this being a kids show I doubt it.
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Post by teenj12 on Mar 25, 2012 17:30:40 GMT -5
Tai Zen is interesting as Korra's air master, but I'm wondering why his siblings couldn't teach Korra. Course I'm assuming they're also air bending masters. Course i'm sure everyone is still wondering what is the state of air benders now. It was already confirmed that Teinzen is Aang's only child who can air bend. On the episode: Jinora is awesome at airbending. She bossed that training exercise! Liking the element of pro bending, and Korra, Mako, and Bolin's dynamic. Overall, can't wait to see everything kick off with the Equalist. I too think Korra will friend zone Bolin. But Idk what I ship yet.
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Post by Roxas on Mar 25, 2012 17:36:12 GMT -5
loved it... might watch it again tonight.
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Post by TML on Mar 25, 2012 17:36:40 GMT -5
I was curious to know how there is another flying Bison and lemurs. Weren't Momo and Appa the last of their kind? That has me confused.
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attonbitus
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Post by attonbitus on Mar 25, 2012 17:38:02 GMT -5
huh interesting, didn't know that. Still I'd find it odd that there was only one air bender from Teinzen's generation that reached Master status.
Course I'm assuming there were other potential air benders found during Aang's life.
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Post by Darryl on Mar 25, 2012 18:05:44 GMT -5
WAIT A MINUTE...
Who are those dudes on Air Temple Island in monk robes? (Scene where Korra asks about White Lotus Sentries)
Non-Bender Air Nomads?
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Post by teenj12 on Mar 25, 2012 18:11:41 GMT -5
WAIT A MINUTE... Who are those dudes on Air Temple Island in monk robes? (Scene where Korra asks about White Lotus Sentries) Non-Bender Air Nomads? Possibly.
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Post by kaangluv on Mar 25, 2012 18:28:27 GMT -5
attonbitus: Yeah, in the first episode Katara mentioned that Tenzin has two siblings, Kya and Bumi. If Tenzin is the only Master Airbender, must they either be Waterbenders or non-benders? Or did Aang's being the Avatar confer the ability to father children of any bending discipline? That would be interesting to learn. I hope we'll get to see Tenzin's brother and sister some time during the series! As far as the the Pro-Bending stamina question, it seemed to me that the dynamic style Bolin showed Korra (float like a sky bison, sting like a buzzard wasp, if you will) would be much more tiring than being rooted in a solid stance. The constant dancing around must be exhausting.
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Post by paku on Mar 25, 2012 18:35:49 GMT -5
As for the ice, I imagine they wouldn't because they wouldn't want to accidentally impale someone. Nevermind, it's mentioned in the rules that waterbenders can't freeze water during the match. RULES?! hahaha thanks for this I hadn't read this page. As far as the stamina thing, I too am guessing things just work a little differently now.
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Post by KrystalFruit22 on Mar 25, 2012 18:47:19 GMT -5
I'm assuming the guys in the robes were like the people (Teo & his dad+others) who lived at the Northern Air Temple, or maybe people like the Guru, who are spiritually enlightened but can't airbend. I too hope very much to see Kya and Bumi at some point. I'm sure we will. Also, I'm sure this has already been addressed sometime within the past year, but I don't remember what the answer was. Since Korra was originally just supposed to be a mini-series, is that all it is still? Or did Nick agree to do more so it can be a full series like the original?
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attonbitus
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Post by attonbitus on Mar 25, 2012 20:08:04 GMT -5
Also, I'm sure this has already been addressed sometime within the past year, but I don't remember what the answer was. Since Korra was originally just supposed to be a mini-series, is that all it is still? Or did Nick agree to do more so it can be a full series like the original? Actually the series was set to be only 13 eps, Nick actually convinced Micheal and Byran to do a 26 ep series.
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Post by dirtyyasuki on Mar 25, 2012 23:44:05 GMT -5
Just saw the episode and loved the MMA style of probending. Bryke have outdone themselves yet again though I wonder if the other writers from the old series also do some of the upcoming episodes we haven't seen yet. I'd love to see the other writers make an appearance. I think the justification for the Probenders "tiring out" indeed has a lot to do with a very physically demanding sport that they're in. MMA is all about the quick takedown and submission whether by striking or grappling. Endurance is a must because the rapid nature that Probending athletes have to bend, avoid takedowns/pushes, and constantly blitzing the opposing teams takes a steady toll on their bodies and fortunes can change for any team in the blink of an eye if they lose focus leaving no room for error or time to recover. As we saw with Mako's hat-trick. I think there were plenty of scenes in ATLA where quick bending battles and seemingly longer ones were really more down to the storytelling style of focusing on the best parts of the action between the characters. I remember there were many scenes of fighting in ATLA where the combatants would be seen catching their breath before they resumed bending and that recovery is certainly a factor for longer fights taking place. It's also possible that the Probending matches go on for longer than the show is actually showing us despite it's more fast paced nature. Minutes of bending can be compressed into seconds within the time-frame of the show just to give us the impression of matches happening in under a few minutes when MMA rounds can go as long as 3 minutes nevermind an entire match which might take up almost half of LoK's running time. A 20-second long flurry of bending blows and acrobatics can certainly tire out anyone in a hurry and leave them prone to a counterattack. If there were any superheroic feats of bending fights in ATLA it certainly shows that Bryke are telling a more realistic story with LoK. And that to me is even more reason to love watching this new series for it's own merits. Edit: Regarding the non-bending air nomads. I don't have a hard time thinking that Air temple island and it's way of life actually attracts people from all over. Just like Buddhist temples also attract people willing to join their monastic way of life; many might be non-benders but likely many will just as likely be benders from other ethnicity's who choose to follow the air nomads way of life. It's just as likely that the Air temple are staffed by the descendants of people who were devoted to Aang and chose to live on the temple and serve Tenzin and his descendants to honor his memory. Besides even if the non-air bending monks in this episode aren't airbenders or devoted to serving Aang's legacy just keep in mind it takes a heck of a lot of staff to fully maintain a temple of that size. They'd still need a lot of hired help and who knows maybe the monk attire are their uniforms. Buddhist monks IRL do their own chores. Since they have cars... I wonder if there are guns in this era. In ours, guns came before cars. It would make sense in that this is what gives the "common" man the ability to kill without a lot of training. Course this being a kids show I doubt it. You're right that there are no guns in the series. Bryke supposedly confirmed in a recent press release this year that there will be no guns despite the technological achievements seen in this series. Though I can't remember where that quote was atm. This was supposedly due to the nature of the show and thus they wouldn't be able to portray it right. So rather than implement it poorly they decided not to include it.
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