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Post by nymphadora on Aug 3, 2010 12:46:34 GMT -5
Ooo I hope we get to see that! I absolutely loved the Northern Water Tribe and it would be super cool to be introduced to a new and amazing SWT.
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Post by Aura of Cruxis on Aug 3, 2010 17:39:12 GMT -5
I wonder if the Souther Water Tribe adopted the Northern Waterbending style or developed their own? Maybe even used Forest Waterbender guys. XD (It's a shame I don't remember the series anymore. It's been much too long.)
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Post by Paraiba Ocean on Aug 4, 2010 18:43:16 GMT -5
I was never under the impression the Southern and Northern Waterbending styles were different? But since there were no waterbenders left in the South and the North came to help them rebuild, then I'd assume they adopted the Northern style..
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Post by Korra on Aug 4, 2010 19:26:10 GMT -5
I was never under the impression the Southern and Northern Waterbending styles were different? But since there were no waterbenders left in the South and the North came to help them rebuild, then I'd assume they adopted the Northern style.. There were some traditions that were unique to the southern water tribe, as Hana pointed out. But they style of bending is virtually identical.
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Post by Aura of Cruxis on Aug 4, 2010 22:17:21 GMT -5
There are monarchs in both the Earth and Fire Nations, by far the most developed nations of the four. Would the Nomadic Air Tribe really need that? The Water Tribes might get two rulers, one for the North and the other for the South. How about you? Do you think that the Water and Air tribes would have developed governmental figures by now?
Also, is it possible for there to be Airbenders? If does anyone know what happens when two benders have a child? Do they hold the bending abilities of the father, the mother, both or neither? Isn't it possible for the Air Tribe to no longer exist? (Or is this already established...?)
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Post by xrxpapi on Aug 4, 2010 23:01:39 GMT -5
Airbender vs Airbender is a scene that we have NEVER seen in TLA right? - We've seen water vs water, fire vs fire, and earth vs earth, but due to the situation in TLA we never got see two or more airbenders duke it out. Hopefully this can happen in TLK.
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Post by Kataang101 on Aug 5, 2010 2:31:49 GMT -5
There are monarchs in both the Earth and Fire Nations, by far the most developed nations of the four. Would the Nomadic Air Tribe really need that? The Water Tribes might get two rulers, one for the North and the other for the South. How about you? Do you think that the Water and Air tribes would have developed governmental figures by now? Also, is it possible for there to be Airbenders? If does anyone know what happens when two benders have a child? Do they hold the bending abilities of the father, the mother, both or neither? Isn't it possible for the Air Tribe to no longer exist? (Or is this already established...?) I think that the ability the child should get from one of the parents is 50 50 like how its 50 50 whether a baby will be a boy or a girl. the birth of Tenzin as an airbender should be enough to keep airbending alive. hopefully if he had a son/daughter even if the child turned out to be something other than an airbender i think that he/she will still carry the "genes" to pass on airbending to Tenzin's future grandchildren, if of course his child bares a child and so on. so what im saying is as long as Tenzin's children keep having children, airbenders should be able to survive even if it skips a generation or two. and maybe if enough emerge at the same time with air matching with people of different nations and eventually air with air(should be very distant relatives of course ) they might be able to restart (for lack of a better word) the air nation. i cant really say about the government part. i think maybe NWT and SWT would still have a single individual ruler for each tribe. idk xD Airbender vs Airbender is a scene that we have NEVER seen in TLA right? - We've seen water vs water, fire vs fire, and earth vs earth, but due to the situation in TLA we never got see two or more airbenders duke it out. Hopefully this can happen in TLK. oh snap that would be so awesome to see. i cant really imagine it though xDD i cant wait till they do it. its gonna be interesting to see how 2 people throw air at each other
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Post by dirtyyasuki on Aug 5, 2010 19:34:06 GMT -5
the birth of Tenzin as an airbender should be enough to keep airbending alive. hopefully if he had a son/daughter even if the child turned out to be something other than an airbender i think that he/she will still carry the "genes" to pass on airbending to Tenzin's future grandchildren, if of course his child bares a child and so on. so what im saying is as long as Tenzin's children keep having children, airbenders should be able to survive even if it skips a generation or two. and maybe if enough emerge at the same time with air matching with people of different nations and eventually air with air(should be very distant relatives of course ) they might be able to restart (for lack of a better word) the air nation. If Tenzin keeps having kids and his kids keep doing the same then I agree he can repopulate the air nation given enough time. (I'd say roughly 3 centuries just to be on the safe side of genetic diversity in the gene pool) But whatever the new air nation will be, it will be nothing like the air nomads of old. The majority of their culture and ways of life are largely gone and eradicated from the old wars. I don't even know if the new air nation will breed true like the old air nomads did (i.e. be composed and producing all airbenders like the old setting info suggested)
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Post by Aura of Cruxis on Aug 5, 2010 23:43:51 GMT -5
But the genes would be "impure" would it not? In the previous series, no one from one nation had thus far had children with someone from the other nation. Would that not mean that the Airbending genes are muddled with Waterbending? So technically there would be always be a chance to have a Waterbender or an Airbender at birth...
As for Air versus Air, isn't that a bit unlike the Nomadic Air Tribe? I mean, Aang would teach Tenzin the culture of the Air Tribe, though he does die young. Air Nomads were generally peaceful, refusing to fight unless provoked.
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Post by Kataang101 on Aug 6, 2010 1:08:28 GMT -5
the birth of Tenzin as an airbender should be enough to keep airbending alive. hopefully if he had a son/daughter even if the child turned out to be something other than an airbender i think that he/she will still carry the "genes" to pass on airbending to Tenzin's future grandchildren, if of course his child bares a child and so on. so what im saying is as long as Tenzin's children keep having children, airbenders should be able to survive even if it skips a generation or two. and maybe if enough emerge at the same time with air matching with people of different nations and eventually air with air(should be very distant relatives of course ) they might be able to restart (for lack of a better word) the air nation. If Tenzin keeps having kids and his kids keep doing the same then I agree he can repopulate the air nation given enough time. (I'd say roughly 3 centuries just to be on the safe side of genetic diversity in the gene pool) But whatever the new air nation will be, it will be nothing like the air nomads of old. The majority of their culture and ways of life are largely gone and eradicated from the old wars. I don't even know if the new air nation will breed true like the old air nomads did (i.e. be composed and producing all airbenders like the old setting info suggested) unfortunately your right. the old culture of the air nomads pre-war should be mostly gone. it would be up to Aang to keep it alive and tell someone about it. to like a historian or something to write it down so that at least people know how they lived before. it may well be only in the history books now. But the genes would be "impure" would it not? In the previous series, no one from one nation had thus far had children with someone from the other nation. Would that not mean that the Airbending genes are muddled with Waterbending? So technically there would be always be a chance to have a Waterbender or an Airbender at birth... ya their would always be that chance, now at least. it sucks that not every descendant would be an airbender. annnyways something just popped in my head... you know what now that i think about it lets say a couple from the earth kingdom has a baby (they can be both earthbenders, both non, or 1 is and the other isnt for this example) and the baby turns out to be a waterbender. how can that happen? i think somewhere deep in one of the parent's ancestry someone was married to a waterbender with an earthbender and this baby just happened to catch that "gene" and become a waterbender. so with the airbenders, even if tenzin's children and children's children etc. are not airbenders they can still be one in the future? lol...idk if that makes sense. my head hurts As for Air versus Air, isn't that a bit unlike the Nomadic Air Tribe? I mean, Aang would teach Tenzin the culture of the Air Tribe, though he does die young. Air Nomads were generally peaceful, refusing to fight unless provoked. yup but how bout the practice fights between Tenzin and Korra? that would be cool to see xDD
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Post by dirtyyasuki on Aug 6, 2010 10:21:53 GMT -5
something just popped in my head... you know what now that i think about it lets say a couple from the earth kingdom has a baby (they can be both earthbenders, both non, or 1 is and the other isnt for this example) and the baby turns out to be a waterbender. how can that happen? i think somewhere deep in one of the parent's ancestry someone was married to a waterbender with an earthbender and this baby just happened to catch that "gene" and become a waterbender. so with the airbenders, even if tenzin's children and children's children etc. are not airbenders they can still be one in the future? lol...idk if that makes sense. my head hurts Yup... that would make for some pretty interesting back stories as far as fanfics and roleplaying backgrounds go... What's more I'm sure Bryke and the team are well aware of the potential for genetic diversity in the setting but for expedience or uniformity's sake opt not represent this in the series. As for Air versus Air, isn't that a bit unlike the Nomadic Air Tribe? I mean, Aang would teach Tenzin the culture of the Air Tribe, though he does die young. Air Nomads were generally peaceful, refusing to fight unless provoked. yup but how bout the practice fights between Tenzin and Korra? that would be cool to see xDD Oh yeah, that would be awesome. That would definitely be something to look forward to in the new series for me.
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Post by Aura of Cruxis on Aug 6, 2010 23:14:50 GMT -5
ya their would always be that chance, now at least. it sucks that not every descendant would be an airbender. annnyways something just popped in my head... you know what now that i think about it lets say a couple from the earth kingdom has a baby (they can be both earthbenders, both non, or 1 is and the other isnt for this example) and the baby turns out to be a waterbender. how can that happen? i think somewhere deep in one of the parent's ancestry someone was married to a waterbender with an earthbender and this baby just happened to catch that "gene" and become a waterbender. so with the airbenders, even if tenzin's children and children's children etc. are not airbenders they can still be one in the future? lol...idk if that makes sense. my head hurts But is it possible to "catch" a gene? I mean, I know you will always carry the genes of your parent's parent's parent's parent's parents. But won't that mean that it will would come about through a recessive gene? That means both people had a waterbending gene. DX As you can tell, I'm not quite sure of my high school biology.
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Post by dirtyyasuki on Aug 7, 2010 1:14:04 GMT -5
But is it possible to "catch" a gene? I mean, I know you will always carry the genes of your parent's parent's parent's parent's parents. But won't that mean that it will would come about through a recessive gene? That means both people had a waterbending gene. DX As you can tell, I'm not quite sure of my high school biology. Yup that seems about right. Especially with the implied emerging world culture in LoK where people of all nations in RC would eventually co-mingle. I wonder if the show will even feature multi-national families in RC where benders of differing elements are siblings or members of the same family.
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Post by Kataang101 on Aug 7, 2010 3:11:01 GMT -5
ya their would always be that chance, now at least. it sucks that not every descendant would be an airbender. annnyways something just popped in my head... you know what now that i think about it lets say a couple from the earth kingdom has a baby (they can be both earthbenders, both non, or 1 is and the other isnt for this example) and the baby turns out to be a waterbender. how can that happen? i think somewhere deep in one of the parent's ancestry someone was married to a waterbender with an earthbender and this baby just happened to catch that "gene" and become a waterbender. so with the airbenders, even if tenzin's children and children's children etc. are not airbenders they can still be one in the future? lol...idk if that makes sense. my head hurts But is it possible to "catch" a gene? I mean, I know you will always carry the genes of your parent's parent's parent's parent's parents. But won't that mean that it will would come about through a recessive gene? That means both people had a waterbending gene. DX As you can tell, I'm not quite sure of my high school biology. i guess lol i forget! how bout if both earthbenders had a recessive waterbending gene? but then again spirit/energy powers dont really work like genetics i suppose But is it possible to "catch" a gene? I mean, I know you will always carry the genes of your parent's parent's parent's parent's parents. But won't that mean that it will would come about through a recessive gene? That means both people had a waterbending gene. DX As you can tell, I'm not quite sure of my high school biology. Yup that seems about right. Especially with the implied emerging world culture in LoK where people of all nations in RC would eventually co-mingle. I wonder if the show will even feature multi-national families in RC where benders of differing elements are siblings or members of the same family. ya that's wat i was trying to get across i think. i want something like that to happen
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Post by Paraiba Ocean on Aug 7, 2010 9:49:57 GMT -5
ya their would always be that chance, now at least. it sucks that not every descendant would be an airbender. annnyways something just popped in my head... you know what now that i think about it lets say a couple from the earth kingdom has a baby (they can be both earthbenders, both non, or 1 is and the other isnt for this example) and the baby turns out to be a waterbender. how can that happen? i think somewhere deep in one of the parent's ancestry someone was married to a waterbender with an earthbender and this baby just happened to catch that "gene" and become a waterbender. so with the airbenders, even if tenzin's children and children's children etc. are not airbenders they can still be one in the future? lol...idk if that makes sense. my head hurts But is it possible to "catch" a gene? I mean, I know you will always carry the genes of your parent's parent's parent's parent's parents. But won't that mean that it will would come about through a recessive gene? That means both people had a waterbending gene. DX As you can tell, I'm not quite sure of my high school biology. The only way to have a new gene enter your line is by a genetic mutation, otherwise everything comes from your family tree. Now, it's possible to turn on/off a gene. If you guys want to talk to genetics, I think that bending is an autosomal dominant trait, and is controlled by multiple alleles. But I think most people in the show are heterozygous. So to take the couple from Kataang101's theory: E: earthbending e: non-earthbender W: waterbender w: non-waterbender etc. for the other two types. The earthbender is Ee is heterozygous dominant for the earthbending gene, and the other parent, the waterbender, has to be Ww. But if you just cross those two in a Punnett square, then you would theoretically have a baby who bends earth and water. So therefore, each person in the Avatarverse technically has the "genes" for all four bending types, however, a nonbender (regardless of nation) would have this genotype: eewwffaa. So back to the earth/water couple, (I'm going to leave out the ff and aa part of the genotype since they're unnecessary as they do not play a role in this couple) would have phenotypes of Eeww and eeWw respectively. So if you do a Punnett square there is a 25% chance (not 100% sure on this number, feel free to check me since I'm doing it in my head) the child will be a waterbender. edit: As far as the Avatar goes, I believe his/her genes for the other elements are turned "on," but I would have to think more about how the genetics are distributed since Tenzin is an airbender and not a waterbender/nonbender.
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