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Post by deana on Nov 2, 2008 19:58:05 GMT -5
It was announced to get writers, artist, voice actors, and storyboarders involved with the project. I think Dante would know better than any of us if he will get in trouble for this. It a is fan project he is working on for a friend. Nothing more, nothing less. Although him being Zutarian might have been a part of his decision making.
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jillrg
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Post by jillrg on Nov 2, 2008 22:14:21 GMT -5
How could a team of writers, artists, VAs, and storyboarders make an adaptation of a cartoon without copyright infringement? I know they're not making any money off it, but that's never the point.
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Horyo
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Post by Horyo on Nov 3, 2008 1:23:51 GMT -5
Why aren't youtubbers sued for their amvs rather than deleted? Why aren't deviantartists banned for drawing someone else's idea?
Because they have no money. And I'm sure these animators aren't the richest of the rich, so it'd be stupid for Nick or Viacom to go after them.
And it's their work, their time, their effort, for a non-profit entertainment cause.
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nandireya
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Post by nandireya on Nov 3, 2008 2:34:28 GMT -5
Except you know, there is the option of simply creating a post finale fic/DJ since it's not as though the ships that became canon in the end are'nt the most rock-solid-OMG-SOUL-MATES relationships evar. (And even if they were... still not impossible.) Which is exactly what I've been saying about the ending. There were no marriages...no betrothals...no declarations of undying love...no one shacking up together...no one even told the object of their desire that the loved them (Aang and Mai may have said the word but not to the person they were saying it about). And they're kids in their first romances. How many people end up with the first person they dated? It happens, but not a lot. But any time I say that it's good that the people who didn't like the way it ended can make up a story so the couple they wanted to see together can be together I get flamed for it. Let people write, read, draw or animated whatever the heck they want...you don't have to look at it.
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Post by Amira on Nov 3, 2008 3:31:17 GMT -5
you are exactly right, nandi. Which is why I will not be watching. I'm not watchng that other project either that's supposed to be a book 4 with suki dying to make room for tokka. I am not interested in non-canon stuff since the finale and the aftermath. I am fully content with the ending and the ships that happened. The ship wars, the lack of respect, the "mine's better than yours is" nonsense, the lack of consideration, etc. has really turned me off from a lot of the fandom.
Yeah, kataangers got canon, but truthfully I have yet to enjoy it. And that's just my feelings. A lot of the negativity towards KATAANG and the finale took a lot of wind from the sails.
But people can do what they want. It doesn't affect me either way. I'm content to enjoy avatar as it is and the characters and ships I like. The people working on this are going to have to accept that now that it is being discussed all over the Internet that some people will care and have bad feelings. It is the nature of the beast unfortunately. And if some people act bad, don't fire back. A lesson the fandom has yet to learn.
And no one flame me for that.
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Post by ZamKenobi on Nov 3, 2008 7:48:51 GMT -5
I'm looking forward to seeing it. I expect a lot of wank, but there's a lot of wank with any Zutarian (or any ship in general) project. As long as they do it tastefully and not bash the crap out of other ships while they're making room for Zutara in the finale I don't mind. I kind of would have preferred that they just do something set after the finale because without lead up in the show, to me, it would kind of be out of place, and like nandi said, you don't always get with your first love so it's plausible that they would break up in the future. Still, I'll watch.
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Post by goten0040 on Nov 3, 2008 10:36:51 GMT -5
That's not cool. Why does everyone keep killing off Sokka's gfs? XDDD Poor guy.
"EVERYTHING I TOUCH DIES!"
And I don't think the finale rewrite will be bashing anyone. If it is, I won't be interested in seeing it.
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jillrg
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Post by jillrg on Nov 3, 2008 19:28:10 GMT -5
Why rewrite a story you don't like? Why not just write your own original story? Why do people watch a show or get into a fandom if they don't "like the canon"? If you don't like the story as it is, then why watch the show? It makes no sense!
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Post by ZamKenobi on Nov 3, 2008 20:00:28 GMT -5
Why rewrite a story you don't like? Why not just write your own original story? Why do people watch a show or get into a fandom if they don't "like the canon"? If you don't like the story as it is, then why watch the show? It makes no sense! Why not? Hating an entire show for only one thing about it you hate makes less sense to me. You can like most of a story but not some aspects of it. Avatar was not a romance story, the pairings in the show were only a small piece of the greater picture. Many people may have liked the general story but not liked the romance, like in this case, or it could even be the other way around. They only dislike the romance part, so they're only rewriting the romance part. It's not like they're saying that their pairing not happening ruined the entire story. A few people might, but it's not like that for most people. It can work the same way for general things too, not just pairings. I didn't like the Lion Turtle, but I thought the overall finale was awesome.
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Post by goten0040 on Nov 3, 2008 20:58:37 GMT -5
My thoughts exactly, Suzume.
And to start with something like rewriting the finale is almost like a test - like writing fanfiction before you start on original pieces. If the finale thing works out, there's no telling what will come from the success of it. If you refuse for anyone to be against the canon and rewrite it, we wouldn't have fanfiction, fanart, or anything like that.
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Zenjamin
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Post by Zenjamin on Nov 9, 2008 12:55:06 GMT -5
As far as shipping goes im kataan/Toko/ Irsa. And I think Zutarans are coco bannas crazy pants.
But I support this project. Anything that helps to promote Avatar, more power to em.
... though I have no idea how this would work in just a couple of scenes. Are they going to make references in the scenes about past events in the show that didnt really happen in M&B's story? Are they going to put the scenes in the context of another avaverse where Zuko joined the Gaang at the end of S2 and aang and katara didnt get so close?
/shrug I dont get it. But the people who are talking about copyrights need to chill out and move on.
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Post by Paraiba Ocean on Nov 9, 2008 13:26:53 GMT -5
Not all Zutarians are "coco bananas crazy pants." :/
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Post by goten0040 on Nov 9, 2008 13:38:19 GMT -5
I've said it before, and I'll say it again. About 90% or each type of shippers are normal. The 10% that are crazy are the ones making us all look bad. The problem is, a lot of the time, we let these crazy 10% get to us and start fights. It bothers me a bit that people that actually enjoy the DEBATE and the fun of the fandom get blamed for the "U DONT LIEK ZUTARA MURRRRR U SUCK CANON FANZ" people. -__-;
I think Amira and I have tried to set a pretty good example of the warring ships. We've discussed Kataang and Zutara heavily without getting in a fight. I love to support my ship, but that's no reason to hate on anybody else. I don't go looking for Kataang stuff because I'm not a fan - but there's no way I'm going to bash it or say it's a lie. Maiko is the same way. I still like Aang, and I still like Mai. The show's not all about the ship to me.
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aquavi
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Post by aquavi on Nov 10, 2008 14:57:22 GMT -5
As far as shipping fandom tendencies go, this place is probably the most enjoyable and least wanky. I've been to other places in my other fandoms and... yeah. I sort of missed out on clique wars in HS so now I'm getting them all in 'The Asylum'... nice. I've actually shown this place to other people who were amazed by how wanky this place in comparison to other fandoms' forums that have an area for pairing-specific discussion (the "Say something nice about your opposing ship" thread specifically). Then again, I don't really schmooze around like I used to, so it could be really horrible in other areas.
As for copyright issues, as long as they don't use any material from the show itself, which is why AMVs are removed from YouTube, and use completely original work, they're, at least from what I know. If I recall correctly someone rewrote book 6 of HP as a 'fanfic' for this same purpose (so that it ends H/Hr of course) and it was removed because she used too much of the source material.
This is hardly the first fandom project of this sort that I've heard of, though most of those cases are people expanding the universe/story rather then re-writing it. As I said before, post-finale fic/DJ is best since you are at least aren't coming off as being disrespectful to the creators and staff. Re-writing something gives the air that you believe that they 'got it wrong' and that you're setting it right. S3 bugged the life out of me but it is what it is and I'm not really touching it, certainly not for the sake of my own ship either...
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Post by Amira on Nov 11, 2008 1:13:39 GMT -5
Well we used to have the "Say something nice thread." Actually we aren't that wanky here compared to the other places which are downright unpleasant. Goten is right however. We shippers have unfortunately let the crazypants people represent shippers as a whole. I have no problem with people disliking what I like, but at the same time I would hope that maybe they would reach out and at least appreciate why someone would like it. As far as the project goes - the people making a fuss over the copyright issues need to stop. If they do something that viacom or anyone feels is violating the copyright, they will shut it down or they will pull it. When I heard it was a re-write I was more nervous that they were approaching the fine line of overstepping copyright, especially if all that is being changed are a few scenes. I do know of videos, stories, etc. that have been pulled for being far to close to the original. And Avatar is Nick's and Viacom's. Just like all of the fan vids and such, if they want to pull it down, they will. So the people making fools of themselves by reporting it to Viacom are just being silly. That being said creating an entirely new ending with a new storyline or expanding on the story post-finale probably would have a) been the safer way to go in terms of any issue of copyright (if any exist) and b) there would be no question as to the motive behind the project. I think Aquavi said it best. And don't think I am solely having issues with the Zutarian project. I have issues with that book 4 thing being done as well because supposedly they are killing off Suki for Tokka and I just don't agree with that. So I am an equal opportunity naysayer. Actually I am just someone who wants to see a good post-finale Avatar project that keeps true to the canon and answers some of the questions left by the finale and the series itself. I want to see more Avatar. Not the 30,000 ways Avatar could have or should have been done. Take the canon and expand on it. (and I am a total shipping dork...LOL. I just want to see Katara and Aang finally enjoy themselves and their new romance).
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