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Post by nandireya on Nov 11, 2008 1:55:14 GMT -5
You can 'take the canon and expand on it' and still break everyone up and kill them off. It's a given that a lot of fans didn't like the canon couples and it's impossible to write a couple you don't like and make it believable because if you don't like it you don't want it to work.
But there are plenty of ways to un-couple and re-couple people, if that's what you want to do, without killing people off or making them act totally out of character...that's what imagination and creativity is all about. And personally I'd rather have an expanded break-up than a re-write that null and voids what happened.
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Post by Amira on Nov 11, 2008 2:10:31 GMT -5
I'm just saying that it would be nice to see a project that actually expands on what we are given without dismantling it. I do find it interesting that people can say how much they dislike the canon or the canon couples, yet I cannot seem to be able to defend them or express my wish to see something that actually preserves the show.
And I think it takes creativity to work within the confines of the show and the Ava-universe. I think it takes imagination to do it as well. Because you have a set of parameters that you have to work with and make believable. I think those that write or create fan-works which hold true to the canon should be given props for their imagination and creativity for doing so. It can be a very difficult thing to do.
From my perspective, it just seems it is more acceptable to embrace and support the "it's okay not to like the canon." As if the canon story or the canon couples should just be so easily dismissed. With the exception of Goten and perhaps one or two others, I have yet to have a person of an opposing ship discuss the merits of being a canon shipper, why kataang is great, and why Avatar is great with it. Yet I am supposed to sit by and be reminded of the 30,000 reasons why people don't like the canon couples.
And if I am getting it wrong, forgive me. It's been a long week. And I got into a similar discussion with someone earlier on the whole canon-dislike thing.
And you hit the two nails on the head, Nandi - I will not be watching the Book 4 thing because it involves unnecessary character death for shipping purposes (or so I've hear) and I will not be watching the Zutarian effort because I do think Mai and Aang specifically will be out of character.
Whether someone likes the canon couples of not, they were put there for a reason. Take those away, take the experiences away, add new experiences in and you change the characters. And depending on how good of a writer and how much effort you are willing to put in will depend on whether or not you do the characters justice. And truthfully, I don't see that happening with Mai and more specifically Aang.
Ah well, the wars have left casualties. Namely my sanity...LOL
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Post by nandireya on Nov 11, 2008 3:19:15 GMT -5
I actually saw a Zutarian fic that had Aang beating Katara. I was horrified!
I think everyone knows that there's only one canon couple that I do like...but if I were to write a continuation of the story...and I do have some ideas in that regard...there's only one I'd break up...
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Post by Amira on Nov 11, 2008 4:01:03 GMT -5
I have yet to see any Zutarian work that gives Aang the dignity that he deserves. He is usually turned into a baby, forced to sacrifice just so he can "learn" and because people should experience a heartbreak, or just merely dismissed all together and cheerfully watches as the girl he loves goes for Zuko. Occasionally he is given Toph as a consolation prize.
If someone can prove me wrong, then recommend some fics or something. But keep in mind, I have high standards when it comes to how Aang is treated.
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Post by nandireya on Nov 11, 2008 4:32:53 GMT -5
Wren Sharpbeak's version of season three has what I feel is the perfect Aang/Katara/Zuko triangle. Both boys have feelings for Katara...but as soon as Aang tells Zuko how he feels about her Zuko refuses to act on his own feelings and starts trying to get the pair together. I always felt Zuko's overdeveloped sense of honour would lead him to do that.
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Post by goten0040 on Nov 11, 2008 19:58:05 GMT -5
That sounds rather heartbreaking, Nandi. XD
Chibi Chan and I are working on a Zutara fancomic in which Katara and Aang break up. I'm doing my very best to keep Aang in character - he ends up rather clingy and Katara ends up getting annoyed - as she can be - and she breaks their relationship off. Mai... >>; As much as I like her character, I have to... well, kill her off. It's a direction of the PLOT, however - not for shipping purposes. It's what brings the group back together. Hmm...
I don't like people to kill off characters or break them up for shipping purposes ONLY, but I've thought that some relationships wouldn't work with a break-up-rebound type thing. I hope that's not what anything I write turns out to be.
Am I making sense? It's been a long week. -__-;
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Post by Amira on Nov 12, 2008 0:33:38 GMT -5
But see that right there is why I don't like how Zutarians portray Aang. I guess like Nandi has what she likes for Zuko, I have what I like for Aang.
If anyone in that relationship is clingy it is Katara...LOL.
And I've read Wren Sharpbeak's work, but lately I've been reading DJNS's stories who thankfully is expanding on the canon without the dismantling it. And being that I'm an Aang fan, her stories seem to focus more on him (although there is a lot of the other characters as well. In fact I would say the stories are pretty even with representing all the characters).
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Post by nandireya on Nov 12, 2008 2:11:15 GMT -5
I don't think either of them would be clingy. If Katara got annoyed about anything it would be Aang's childish tendencies. Girls DO mature faster than boys after all Katara: "Sometimes he just acts like such a child!" Zuko: "Maybe that's because he IS a child. He's been through so much...let him be a kid once in a while."
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Post by goten0040 on Nov 12, 2008 23:25:33 GMT -5
Aang is plenty clingy in the series, or at least that's how I saw him. I still like Aang through. I think he's adorable! *shrug* I don't know. I guess we all have our different opinions on characters. Heck, even though I love Zuko, he can be very emo and whiny sometimes. I think the only characters that are almost universally liked are Sokka and Toph.
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Post by nandireya on Nov 13, 2008 21:07:45 GMT -5
...like Nandi has what she likes for Zuko... Indeed I do...and the finale failed to deliever on pretty much all of them...which is why I support, and write, fanfic.
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Post by goten0040 on Nov 14, 2008 10:51:02 GMT -5
I do LOVE a good fanfiction. So, in the end, the finale didn't make everyone happy, but it wasn't expected to. The people who weren't satisfied will get that out in thier own way. *shrug* [/summing things up]
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Post by Ana on Nov 14, 2008 23:58:44 GMT -5
So, in the end, the finale didn't make everyone happy, but it wasn't expected to. The people who weren't satisfied will get that out in thier own way. *shrug* [/summing things up] Very true. However, going back to what was said before, I think even if you were unsatisfied with an ending you should still respect said ending. For example, I like Toph/Aang. If I wanted to write a future fic where they got together I couldn't just dismiss Kataang as insignificant or blame their break-up on Katara. That would be bad writing. Besides, the Taang would be more interesting if the characters had to mature into a new relationship instead of making their old ones null and void. Though I don't really care about this Zutara project, that's all I really ask of it. I realize you're not going to write a ship you don't like but this should be respectful to Aang, Mai, Toph, and so on. Like I said, it'll be bad writing (and whatever else this project entails) otherwise.
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Post by nandireya on Nov 15, 2008 1:35:28 GMT -5
Indeed...I respect the ending...it was the story that Mike and Bryan wanted to tell...and it was a wonderful story...just because I personally didn't like some of the aspects of it doesn't detract from that...and they left it open enough so that people like myself who weren't entirely happy can make some future, off-screen changes in our minds to make ourselves more comfortable with it.
They created a wonderful universe filled with compelling characters, the fact that so many want to play around in (and with) that universe is testament to that.
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Post by goten0040 on Nov 15, 2008 14:01:09 GMT -5
I didn't say I didn't respect the ending. The show in its entirety impressed me to no end, and the finale was no different. Just because my ship didn't happen didn't mean I hated the show.
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Post by nandireya on Nov 15, 2008 17:03:10 GMT -5
Well...I didn't have a ship, I just had one I didn't want to see happen...but if the occurrence or non-occurrence of a ship was what it took to get people to dislike the entire show...well...the two of us at least wouldn't be here.
Mind you...there are way fewer posters than there used to be...
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