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Post by pharaoh on Nov 11, 2007 16:45:08 GMT -5
In comparison with Azula he is dumb.
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Post by pharaoh on Nov 11, 2007 16:46:19 GMT -5
Ummmm can you please leave your obvious fan boyness at the door << I know every 13 boy that just has his nads drop, wants to boink Azula. And don't deny it. It's obvious in your posts. You have the hots for here << Smh Im not intreasted in cartoons your obviously perverted.
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Post by WyrmKing on Nov 11, 2007 16:46:36 GMT -5
In comparison with Azula he is dumb. Everyone is dumb in comparison to Azula. But that's not the point... but obviously, you don't get that...
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Post by Zenjamin on Nov 11, 2007 16:57:00 GMT -5
definitely iroh. he has more then just wisdom, but also the conventional "intelligence" you guys were talking about... he to can be a planner and manipulator of present situations...
dont ask me for an example... i wont be allowed to give one.
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Post by sunshine60 on Nov 16, 2007 23:53:17 GMT -5
Pure intelligence, not any of these deviations, the Mechanist is probably the smartest. But as far as main characters are concerned, Sokka and Azula are the smartest of either group.
Azula definitely is book smart and very learned. But she's also a brilliant strategist, manipulator, knows the human psyche very well and a top grade military tactician, often thinking outside the box.
Sokka is incredibly smart I think considering the fact that he probably never had any formal learning. He's a very quick thinker particularly.
Iroh is wise, and has common sense and obviously is intelligent enough to be one of the highest ranking generals (disregarding his status). But while he is very spiritual, I fail to see his intelligence ranking higher than any other main cast member. It's simply not in his character to be so.
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Post by dragonflly on Nov 17, 2007 1:05:04 GMT -5
In comparison with Azula he is dumb. Everyone is dumb in comparison to Azula. But that's not the point... but obviously, you don't get that... I'm gonna say that in comparison to Iroh, Azula is dumb. Well at least in the understanding and life areas. The whole understanding of the elements thing, Azula couldn't even dream of having understanding like that, and no one's come close to Iroh's wisdom. Actually, I would say that Azula is much more coniving than smart. Yes she paid attention in school and learned about what interested her, destruction and the like, but that's only gonna get her so far. I'm thinking her coniving is far superior to her intelligence.
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Post by fuego on Nov 17, 2007 2:15:39 GMT -5
well everyone is smart in there on way...I just don't want to disclude every body because each person bring something to the table...toph in her streets smarts and azula with her evil villain smarts.
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Post by bongalak on Nov 17, 2007 17:19:51 GMT -5
I think we should make a clear distinction between intelligence and wisdom, in that they are not necessarily the same thing. Metaphorically speaking, I would say that intelligence is a knife, and wisdom is the hand that wields the knife and guides its path and actions. A knife sharp and powerful enough can accomplish many things, but without a steady and strong hand to use it properly it will often be misused and end up doing more harm than good.
Iroh, though he is no doubt very intelligent, is more of a wisdom-oriented figure. His lifetime of experience and his humbleness all adds to his wisdom of incredible depth. He always knows the best way to achieve peace and balance in any given situation, and he has a genuine desire to pursue these things. It was his wisdom that motivated him to stand for what's right and betray his own country, and it is his wisdom that continues to guide Zuko toward the path of righteousness and redemption. That's why he's such a great father figure for Zuko and we all love him so much.
Azula is all about intellect. Clever and cunning, she knows the human psyche inside and out and she is a natural born strategist. But on the other hand her heart is filled with pride and cruelty, which are serious roadblocks in the path towards wisdom. Because she lacks the wisdom to be understanding and compassionate she often abuses her intellect for her own selfish gains. A classic case of a sharp knife in the hands of fool.
Now Sokka is an interesting case, because his smart isn't just strategic smart like Azula or engineering smarts like the Machinist. What he's got is a creative smart, with the capacity to think outside the box and approach problems from unexpected and ingenious angles. His mind is one full of potential, and with proper development Sokka's smarts will be a force to be rekoned with, even for Azula.
As for wisdom, well Sokka's getting there. In the beginning he was, to be honest, a proud sexist buffoon. He was pretty full of himself and often unwilling to take good advices. But throughout the journey he has learned and experienced much. He has felt pain, suffering, and humility on numerous occasions. And now we can all see that despite his sarcastic goofiness, he has grown to be a mature young man with a strong and steady head on his shoulders. He's nowhere near as wise as Iroh yet, but he has learned to respect others and be honest about one's faults and shortcomings. In time I have no doubt that he will possess both intelligence and wisdom worthy of great respect.
So yea, it's really hard to compare them. But I think among them Sokka has the most potential to become even smarter and wiser than he already is.
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Post by thecoinman on Nov 17, 2007 18:14:42 GMT -5
i would have to say the smartest character is definately azula. she is the one who was responsible for the fall of ba sing se. she came up with better plans to capture or defeat the avatar than zuko ever did. by the way i know i sound like i'm prasing her but i hate her i wish she would be killed
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Post by Azula's Flames on Nov 17, 2007 18:32:01 GMT -5
id have to say azula, iroh or sokka they are all very intelligent in different ways azula-manipulative and cunning and generally a evil surd iroh-archetype wise old man like dumbledore, merlin, aslan and gandalf sokka is a problem solver with a scientific way of thinking about things
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Post by prowlowl on Nov 18, 2007 3:43:56 GMT -5
Hmmmm. Tough one. I'd say Iroh is wise but not necessarily super-intelligent. My vote goes to Azula and Sokka equally, then Teo. Ok, fine. I'm just saying that because i love him. But then again, you never know... Ty Lee could surprise us
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Post by Koikitten on Nov 18, 2007 19:29:29 GMT -5
Wan Shi Tong is definitely the most intelligent.
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Post by bongalak on Nov 19, 2007 1:27:10 GMT -5
Oh snap I completely forgot about him. Yea he is definitely the smartest. To bad he still got owned by Sokka at the end.
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Post by Victim ~*of *~Circumstances on Nov 19, 2007 5:40:32 GMT -5
I'm having a tie with Guru Pathik, Iroh, and Monk Gyatso for the wisdom category. Intelligience alone I'd have to say between Sokka and Azula.
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Post by dragonflly on Nov 20, 2007 0:37:25 GMT -5
Well Iroh was a General who suceeded in breaking through to Ba Sing Sa, amongst winning many battles. I don't think you make Gerenal by being dumb. I think Iroh has proven his intellegence in terms of military, living, strategy, teaching, learing, and so on.
I'm not saying that Azula isn't itelligent, nor Sokka. They are both intelligent in there own way. I just think Iroh wins with the all around intelligence.
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