historyman12
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Post by historyman12 on Mar 4, 2008 15:45:55 GMT -5
While I like their sound, and Tom Morello is a great guitarist, their ideas are really dumb.
Diiiiiscuss.
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Post by CountessRachel on Mar 4, 2008 15:59:29 GMT -5
How are their ideas dumb? They're human rights activists? Unless you've got something against human rights that is...
Morello is the only active guitar player out there right now actually worth anything. Most other guitarists can only dream of comparing when it comes to his innovative techniques and distortion. Almost all of the stuff he writes is actually really simple and easy to learn but his unorthodox methods make his sound so unique and difficult to copy. And Rocha has the best talent when it comes to lyrics--I love his rhyme scheme and his voice. Pure genius those fellows. I can play a few of their songs, but only basic riffs. The solos are nuts because of the sound.
My fav band ever--seeing them live is on my "top 10 things to do before I die" list.
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historyman12
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Post by historyman12 on Mar 4, 2008 16:17:53 GMT -5
The idiocy?
(curses censored)
“ America touts itself as the land of the free, but the number one freedom that you and I have is the freedom to enter into a subservient role in the workplace. Once you exercise this freedom you've lost all control over what you do, what is produced, and how it is produced. And in the end, the product doesn't belong to you. The only way you can avoid bosses and jobs is if you don't care about making a living. Which leads to the second freedom: the freedom to starve. ” — Tom Morello, Guitar World[38]
“ A good friend of ours once said that if the same laws were applied to U.S. presidents as were applied to the Nazis after World War II […] every single one of them, every last rich white one of them from Truman on, would have been hung to death and shot—and this current administration is no exception. They should be hung, and tried, and shot. As any war criminal should be.[34] ”Zack De La Rocha
“ Our contention that American democracy is inverted when what passes for democracy is an electoral choice between two representatives of the privileged class. America's freedom of expression is inverted when you're free to say anything you want to say until it upsets a corporate sponsor. Finally, this was our way of expressing our opinion of the show's host, Steve Forbes.[44] ” Morello
SNL censored Rage, period. They could not have sucked up to the billionaire more. The thing that's ironic is SNL is supposedly this cutting edge show, but they proved they're bootlickers to their corporate masters when it comes down to it. They're cowards. It should come to no surprise that GE, which owns NBC, would find "Bullet" particularly offensive. GE is a major manufacturer of US planes used to commit war crimes in the Gulf War, and bombs from those jets destroyed hydroelectric dams which killed thousands of civilians in Iraq. Morello
Now with my views on these statements.
“ America touts itself as the land of the free, but the number one freedom that you and I have is the freedom to enter into a subservient role in the workplace. Once you exercise this freedom you've lost all control over what you do, what is produced, and how it is produced. And in the end, the product doesn't belong to you. The only way you can avoid bosses and jobs is if you don't care about making a living. Which leads to the second freedom: the freedom to starve. ”
Right. Which is why John D. Rockefeller, richest man in history, was born in poverty as the son of a peddler, and Andrew Carnegie, 2nd richest man, was a poor immigrant. Bot hof these men worked hard for their money, oh, and both of them started as low level employees in a company . America isn't ruled by the businessmen. In modern times? Bill Gates and Warren buffet are the two richest men alive now. Both have self made fortunes.
“ A good friend of ours once said that if the same laws were applied to U.S. presidents as were applied to the Nazis after World War II […] every single one of them, every last rich white one of them from Truman on, would have been hung to death and shot—and this current administration is no exception. They should be hung, and tried, and shot. As any war criminal should be.[34] ”Zack De La Rocha
This doesn't even justify a response.
“ Our contention that American democracy is inverted when what passes for democracy is an electoral choice between two representatives of the privileged class. America's freedom of expression is inverted when you're free to say anything you want to say until it upsets a corporate sponsor. Finally, this was our way of expressing our opinion of the show's host, Steve Forbes.[44] ” Morello
You're right! How dare they have rules! By God. Those fiends! We shall never again have any standards! Oh, and, it was our way of expressing our opinion of the show's host? Ridiculous. I can't walk up to someone and say "F--- you!" without any repercussions can I? I can't go on Deal or No Deal and say "The banker is a son of a b---h!" Trust me Tom, you weren't unjustly targeted
SNL censored Rage, period. They could not have sucked up to the billionaire more. The thing that's ironic is SNL is supposedly this cutting edge show, but they proved they're bootlickers to their corporate masters when it comes down to it. They're cowards. It should come to no surprise that GE, which owns NBC, would find "Bullet" particularly offensive. GE is a major manufacturer of US planes used to commit war crimes in the Gulf War, and bombs from those jets destroyed hydroelectric dams which killed thousands of civilians in Iraq. Morello
Much of this is the same as the first quote, but on the end, I would like to ask him if he knows people always die in war, and that was NOT what Hitler's government was executed for.
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Post by CountessRachel on Mar 10, 2008 0:22:41 GMT -5
As far as the bold statements made at Coachella, either they're just spouting off hot air, or they do research and know something you don't. Keep in mind, a good chunk of Rocha's material comes from letters and the personal accounts of others who have experienced/witnessed the war, extreme poverty, or modern-day slavery etc.
Either way, Rage is known for protesting against some decisions made by the American government. I'm not going to explain what their statements mean, you'll have to take that up with Rocha and Morello. They are a radical, politically out-spoken band and they make good points about a lot of the American domestic and foreign policies (both business governing) that infringe on basic human rights.
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Post by wydawg on Mar 12, 2008 19:32:22 GMT -5
Rage Against The Machine is very good for the songs I have heard but I have not heard that many and I agree with CountessRacheal about their lyrics not being dumb. Even though I havn't heard much of them, I still looked up the lyrics and they are better than most of my favorite bands except for System Of A Down but thats my opinion to anyone else they would say Rage Against The Machine is better.
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Post by CountessRachel on Mar 12, 2008 22:38:26 GMT -5
"You know they murdered X, and tried to blame it on Islam? He turned the power to the have-nots...and then came the shot!"
And "F**k you, I won't do what ya tell me!" That might be the only line for 2 and a half minutes straight in "Killing in the Name," but maaaaan does that send a message or what? xD
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Post by Fireman on Mar 22, 2008 14:57:17 GMT -5
Tom Morello is a good guitar player
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Post by historyman12 on Apr 14, 2008 19:56:28 GMT -5
"You know they murdered X, and tried to blame it on Islam? He turned the power to the have-nots...and then came the shot!" And "F**k you, I won't do what ya tell me!" That might be the only line for 2 and a half minutes straight in "Killing in the Name," but maaaaan does that send a message or what? xD Yep! Deep and insightful as always! Still idiots.
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Post by o8jedi on Apr 14, 2008 20:25:29 GMT -5
You know, the whole point of their music is to curse the establishment. Hence the name "Rage Against the Machine." They even admit that they are revolutionaries at heart, in that American democracy has become corrupt from Big Business and the government should be purged of such people.
I like them and I agree with some of their ideas (although I'm nowhere near as radical as they are), but they are talented. That I will not deny. The fact of the matter is that there's a lot of angry people out there on the musical spectrum and they will use their medium as a critical voice. They're not even the first act to do so; they were preceded by names like Public Enemy, Bob Dylan, and John Lennon.
If you don't like the message, don't listen to it. But realize that their activism and radical message is integral to the band's identity.
True, "F*** you, I won't do what you tell me," for two minutes might not be the most creative lyrics, but it emphasizes their sheer anger at the system, or to put another way, rage against the machine.
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Post by attonbitus on Apr 15, 2008 13:28:40 GMT -5
Rage has been disbanded for a while right? I did like some of other songs when i was in high school though. If you look at most of the "grunge" bands during the same time they mostly have the same political views. Not saying Rage is grunge though, they were they anti grunge rock sound at the time.
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Post by historyman12 on Apr 15, 2008 14:51:11 GMT -5
Rage has been disbanded for a while right? I did like some of other songs when i was in high school though. If you look at most of the "grunge" bands during the same time they mostly have the same political views. Not saying Rage is grunge though, they were they anti grunge rock sound at the time. They reformed in April of '07.
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Post by CountessRachel on Apr 15, 2008 16:16:47 GMT -5
Rage has been disbanded for a while right? I did like some of other songs when i was in high school though. If you look at most of the "grunge" bands during the same time they mostly have the same political views. Not saying Rage is grunge though, they were they anti grunge rock sound at the time. Yeah, they got back together. A friend of mine saw them in Coachella and then I tried to get tickets to them in Vegas but they were sold out. ;_; I'm not sure if they've gone back to the studio or if they're on tour right now though. And while they share political views with other bands, their sound is so much better. They're one of the few hard rock bands that doesn't try to pass incoherent screaming as lyrics.
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Post by Consonant*** on Apr 18, 2008 17:00:34 GMT -5
They're just touring, doesn't necessarily mean they're "back together"
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Post by CountessRachel on Apr 22, 2008 0:42:48 GMT -5
Well, according to two local radio stations where I live, I heard they were thinking of getting back into the studio. But, it's mostly speculation. And if you spend periods of time in rehearsal and/or on the road as a band, it's as good as being "together." It's not like it's an official "Farewell" tour or they occasionally play old hits at casinos and small night clubs.
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