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Post by spiritmage234 on Apr 14, 2008 18:44:05 GMT -5
^Everybody - in reality - is a MUTT. Just some are apparent than other. But nonetheless, political correctness pisses me off, and at the same time, people who go around saying that they are 1/4 Hungarian, 1/16 Thai, 1/20th Ethiopian or whatever get on my nerves as well.
Just be your god d@mn f***ing self for once. Once under the epidermis, you are just human with the same human anatomy, and we will all be considered scum in the eyes of an extraterrestrial. Period.
W/e. My same rule applies for me and my potential suiters. But seriously, I don't care about guys. And I'm not a lesbian or bi. People get on my nerves period.
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Post by canad asa panzy on Apr 28, 2008 16:10:59 GMT -5
Im currently dating an Asian boy, named Matt in my school. Nobody's prejudice against us becuase race doesn't really matter. People think height is a bigger issue. In my school, an under 5' girl going out with a guy over 6' is considered weird. Along with other perverted jokes that they make, major height difference dating isn't common in our school becuase of this. As long as you care for the certain someone race and/ or height should never be considered a turn off or not attractive.
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Post by Caladbolg777 on Apr 29, 2008 3:36:07 GMT -5
I agree that most people are of mixed races and ethnicities in varying degrees, but you also should consider that every group and person needs some sort of a foundation for their cultural beliefs and values.
America, although we're very mixed, is still in the process of working these things out. It's actually difficult to be yourself when other pressures and oppressive forces are laid upon you. I can't really say that I've personally experienced this, but I've seen it happen though historical lectures and sociology classes at my university.
There's too much variation in people's ethnic backgorunds for us to all be considered a mutt and act as a human with not cultural and ethnic ties as you're suggesting.
I do have to agree with your statement on how people shouldn't flaunt the fact that they are 1/16th Hungarian, for example, and expect to be a member of the Hungarian community. really it makes that person seem superficial, and it's a shame. Basically people are assuming that since they have "one drop of blood" in them of another ethnicity or race, they are that ethnicity or race. Politically speaking, that rule applied strictly with African Americans.
From what I see you're displaying a mixed message that's hard to truly decipher, or maybe you're just ranting and I'm wasting a small amount of time. I don't mind either way.
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Post by lunar-tsunami on Apr 29, 2008 17:41:33 GMT -5
I agree that most people are of mixed races and ethnicities in varying degrees, but you also should consider that every group and person needs some sort of a foundation for their cultural beliefs and values. America, although we're very mixed, is still in the process of working these things out. It's actually difficult to be yourself when other pressures and oppressive forces are laid upon you. I can't really say that I've personally experienced this, but I've seen it happen though historical lectures and sociology classes at my university. There's too much variation in people's ethnic backgorunds for us to all be considered a mutt and act as a human with not cultural and ethnic ties as you're suggesting. I do have to agree with your statement on how people shouldn't flaunt the fact that they are 1/16th Hungarian, for example, and expect to be a member of the Hungarian community. really it makes that person seem superficial, and it's a shame. Basically people are assuming that since they have "one drop of blood" in them of another ethnicity or race, they are that ethnicity or race. Politically speaking, that rule applied strictly with African Americans. From what I see you're displaying a mixed message that's hard to truly decipher, or maybe you're just ranting and I'm wasting a small amount of time. I don't mind either way. Also, because America is so mixed, sometimes people feel a need to dig into those roots, even if they are small. If someone wants to feel a connection to their past, be it 1/16th or 100% but born in a different country, far be it for me or anyone else to deny them that! I like learning about my roots, and it gives me a bit of identity when I learn about a nation where some of my ancestors lived. I get a little angry with someone being upset that someone wants to identify with parts of their culture. I've gotten a lot of crap for looking into my Asian history because I don't LOOK Asian enough. (and I'm not one of the 1-drop people) Once at school, I went to a Korean American Students meeting, and they all looked at me funny and one girl said, "Oh, it's so nice you want to learn about Korean culture!" Gee, my mom was born and raised there. I suppose though I didn't look Korean enough to count and I "wasn't being myself." Well, anyway, end rant. If people are going to be dating interracially more, we also need to realize there's going to be more people like me out there and you should be open to when someone identifies with a heritage that doesn't match their looks or citizenship. At least nowadays you can *sometimes* enter more than one box on the "race" question in standardized surveys or tests.
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Post by Caladbolg777 on Apr 29, 2008 18:57:59 GMT -5
I'm the same way. I love learning about culture, especially my own (I'm Italian and Portuguese mostly).
At the same time I can empathize with what you're saying about not really being identified as Korean. Maybe one of the reasons why other Koreans have that condescending sort of attitude about learning korean culture has to do with the high adoption rates out of North and South korea? I'm saying this is true for everyone, but I can kinda see how a high adoption rate (in other words a minority of Korean Americans who were not raised Korean) could be a catalyst for those kinds of sentiments.
I know a little about italian culture, I'm half Italian, but i actually wish i had more of a connection to my culture myself. My family is all on the East coast, and there is an Italian community here, but I haven't met many fellow Italians.
Anyway, in regards to dating I've had a few Asian girlfriends before along with a white one (basically my race). All of them had varying degrees of insanity, but it's really my choice, and a genuine desire to help, that got me involved. I had a huge thing for Asians, but I'm also interested in anyone really - and I'm starting to really lean towards that sort of color-blindness.
They say that anyone who says their racial colorblind is a hypocrite, and it's absolutely true, but it doesn't mean that we can't almost reach that level. I'd like to think I'm progressing in that direction.
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Post by Victim ~*of *~Circumstances on Apr 30, 2008 3:05:51 GMT -5
^And we end up in discrimination again. That would be great if people dated outside their race more, slowly get rid of the prejudice you know. As a full Filipino raised in Japan I can see where you're coming from. When I came back to the Philippines for high school I was immediately singled out saying I didn't belong because "I wasn't Filipino enough". Excuse me? That made no sense whatsoever, just because I didn't live in the Philippines for the majority of my life doesn't mean I don't know about my culture!
Back to dating, I haven't dated yet but I know I'd like to date outside my race. If I find a guy in my race that I like then great but most of them really arn't my type. I know my family (father's side) would disagree severely but at least I have my mother's support (she wants gorgeous grandchildren xD) and maybe my grandparents wouldn't mind. They didn't see any trouble with one of my aunts marrying a Norwegian.
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Post by spiritmage234 on Apr 30, 2008 9:06:26 GMT -5
I agree that most people are of mixed races and ethnicities in varying degrees, but you also should consider that every group and person needs some sort of a foundation for their cultural beliefs and values. America, although we're very mixed, is still in the process of working these things out. It's actually difficult to be yourself when other pressures and oppressive forces are laid upon you. I can't really say that I've personally experienced this, but I've seen it happen though historical lectures and sociology classes at my university. There's too much variation in people's ethnic backgorunds for us to all be considered a mutt and act as a human with not cultural and ethnic ties as you're suggesting. I do have to agree with your statement on how people shouldn't flaunt the fact that they are 1/16th Hungarian, for example, and expect to be a member of the Hungarian community. really it makes that person seem superficial, and it's a shame. Basically people are assuming that since they have "one drop of blood" in them of another ethnicity or race, they are that ethnicity or race. Politically speaking, that rule applied strictly with African Americans. From what I see you're displaying a mixed message that's hard to truly decipher, or maybe you're just ranting and I'm wasting a small amount of time. I don't mind either way. I'm a hardcore ranter, 24/7. But seriously. I ranted about each topic at one time on DH. I ranted about what I call "ethnic posers": flaunting the fact that you're mixed with .5% of something and then totally relate yourself to that race, when in reality, you don't know anything about the culture, and political correctness on race. Flip through the Rant Thread on the General Board. You'll find them eventually. (Warning: long and could possibly be offensive. I linked my rant on political correctness to my LJ so I wouldn't be held accountable for possible offense). But anyway, Yeah, this one drop system get's on my nerves, and I think the reason why it does, is because I don't fully understand it. The fact that the one drop system only applies for black people sorta seems, well, racist. Or, to better explain it, it just seems like segregation to me. If I was white and I had evidence in my DNA that I was descendant from an Asian ethnicity, but I clearly appeared white, then I could be free to put down 'biracial' on any form that required it. But if I clearly appeared white and I found evidence that I was descendant from an African trip, then I'd just be marked as a 'African/Black'. The thing is, I don't see if this is a good thing or a bad thing. And this sorta leads into another point that I made about the whole 'African/Black' subject in my political correctness rant. I - as well as a lot of other people in my ethnicity - classify ourselves completely different from "Africans". The moment our ancestors were brought [by force] to the colonies, and started mingling [sometimes also by force] with Whites and Native Americans, we lost our identity as Africans and became our own people. We have our own unique cultures that is totally different from African culture, and, a lot of us find it kinda offensive if somebody calls us "African American" since we have no connection to Africa aside from the fact thatour ancestors descending from that continent two centuries ago. We don't have family in over there and hell - some of us don't look remotely African (for instance, me). Which leads tot he one drop system deal. What makes us unique as Blacks is that, well, most of us aren't "black" in color. We are some of the most evidently mixed people in America, most of us having White and Indiginous roots. So rightfully, every Black person shouldn't have to only mark "Black" on standardized forms. We should also be able to list ourselves with "biracial". But on the flip side, since some of us have mixed ethnicities that go generations back, and since a lot of us don't recognize ourselves with the White and Indiginous cultures, we just stick with our own culture, "Black", not "African". Dammit. This didn't come out like I wanted to. So I guess the thing I'm trying to say is that this one drop system is sorta screwy. Just because a White person found 1% African blood, doesn't mean that by political correctness, they have to identify with the culture, and in more extreme cases, make a fool of themselves by trying to. Just go on being a White person, and just respect other people. This goes for everybody: If you do find actually EVIDENCE that you are 1/14 Hungarian, 1/16 Thai, and 1/20 Ethiopian, then that's ok. Good for you. You can AKNOWLEDGE your mixed ethnicity if you except the fact that you don't really relate yourself to the culture(s), but don't go around bragging that you're "more mixed" than your friends and you don't even know how to say "hi" in Thai - and that you still look white- cuz, your not putting a diverse, ethnic image on yourself like you want to. You're acting like a multi-racist turd who in reality, has an ethnic identity problem. Seriously. People who do know of their mixed heritage and have been taught about their heritage by a family elder, don't do this. They just act normal. Yeah. This is a mixed message, Caladbolg. It's just that the topic of political correctness with race, and ethnicity, is just so complicated. I'll dumb it down: If you live in the U.S., you're just an American (though that in itself is kinda incorrect. Shouldn't we be called "Unitians" or something?). Place of birth comes before race. You're not Chinese American: you're American- CHINESE. Just like if you were born in America but moved to China, you'd be called American-Chinese and if you were born in China and moved to America you'd be Chinese-AMERICAN. Or, how about, you were born in China but moved to Japan. Then you'd be a Chinese-Japanese, and Japanese-Chinese in reverse. UGH! This is so complicated! Ok, forget the above paragraph and screw political correctness and screw these ethnicially confused people. Back on topic, I don't care about what my future beau's race will be. So long as he's not a dominating idiot who will respect me. Period.
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Post by Victim ~*of *~Circumstances on Apr 30, 2008 9:31:59 GMT -5
^So true! Once again I'll say as others have: It doesn't matter who you date because you can't control who you ultimately fall for. If we were to get into the bare bones and strip every person from their skin we're all the same. We got the skeleton, muscles, organs, blood, etc.
*karmalizes for an awesome read*
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Post by Caladbolg777 on Apr 30, 2008 21:18:24 GMT -5
Oh yeah, the one drop system is completely racist, there's no question. It came out of controlling African Americans in the South and the racial stereotypes associated with African Americans back then. I got most of this information from a really good documentary called Ethnic Notions. if you get the chance I highly recommend that you watch it.
That documentary pretty much laid out, step by step, how a society became racist (in this case White Southerners) and how the racial stereotypes evolved. Basically from what i remember each stereotype (i.e. the coon, the happy slave, the stereotypes minstrels showed) all were created and manifested to control black people after the Fourteenth Amendment declared slavery as unconstitutional. The documentary goes from about the 1880s to at least the 1930s. It also documented how the racist values of most Southerners morphed and created all the different caricatures (there's about 7 or 8 that I remember). of black people. I didn't get a chance to watch it all.
I'm taking a class called Minority Group Relations if you're wondering.
Yeah I agree with you about the census (you're basically talking about the U.S. Census with racial categorizations and stuff) and that's another hot topic that needs to be cleaned up too.
There's all sorts of problems with the census too - particularly catgorizing multi, or bi, racial people and Latinos as well. I think if the Census must still exist I think a better way would be to classify by a person's most dominant ethnicity (whether it's in DNA or culture). SOmething that has to do with ethnicity in other words. Race is pure social construction while ethnicity has a cultural foundation (where race doesn't really from a sociological perspective. There's racial culture present, but for statistics then it might be more accurate to try ethnicities).
i don't know, this is just speculation for me. I'm an English major, lol, I don't really need to worry about this stuff. i just like talking about it.
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Post by Caladbolg777 on Apr 30, 2008 21:30:15 GMT -5
Sometimes the older generations may get in the way with interracial dating and it sucks when it does. My cousin (who's is mostly Italian like I am) dated a black guy for a while and our grandparents were uneasy about it. My grandfather is much more easy going but my grandmother is a bit of a control freak. She didn't really agree with it but then again she was pretty straight-laced anyway.
I know I'm using this as an example, but my family is pretty open and moderate in general. I can kind of relate to those who are barred by older generations (whether its parents, grandparents, etc.). i gotta admit though it is nice to see that people are much more readily dating interracially then let's say, 50 years ago.
The one thing I hope to see at some point in the future, is for this interracial dating acceptance to hit the middle of the country. Being on the west coast in a port city, I see interracial dating all the time and am prefectly okay with it (same goes for same sex dating and other non heterosexual relationships).
I'm not trying to sound stereotypical but there is a higher tendency for homogenous populations the more inland one goes, and often times these areas tend to hold much more conservative values - and that may bar interracial dating. in conservatives' defense I think culture shock is a pain, but it's doable.
Like I said I'd like to see a time in the future where just about all areas of the United States (or, even better, the world) is diverse. Interracial dating and acceptance generally come with diversity - but yeah I'd like to see that someday. It'd be nice if people could live in relative harmony that way.
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Post by spiritmage234 on May 1, 2008 6:36:50 GMT -5
Thank you for the karma Victim and I would like to check out this movie Caladbolg. As much as the race issue distresses me, I love studying ethnic stereotypes and debating about it. And hey. All in all, I'm for interracial couples. I already dated a Filipino dude, and my neph is Afro-Asian (Half Black, half Indian). The sooner people start breaking these rediculous racial barriers, the sooner people will get it through their craniums that we're all just humans. Remember, love and stupidity break all racial bondaries. (Why can't we get along like Vulcans?...)
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Post by CountessRachel on May 1, 2008 16:50:41 GMT -5
The one thing I hope to see at some point in the future, is for this interracial dating acceptance to hit the middle of the country. Being on the west coast in a port city, I see interracial dating all the time and am prefectly okay with it (same goes for same sex dating and other non heterosexual relationships). I'm not trying to sound stereotypical but there is a higher tendency for homogenous populations the more inland one goes, and often times these areas tend to hold much more conservative values - and that may bar interracial dating. in conservatives' defense I think culture shock is a pain, but it's doable. Yeah, I know what you mean. I live in the "Dirty South" and here, we're still living in self-created, unspoken, unenforced "Jim Crow." My filipino boyfriend came to visit me and everywhere we went we got weird looks. (Especially from black guys). Speaking of which, I don't know what it is, but to me, guys of one race can't stand to see women of their race dating men of another race. Or maybe it's people in general. Recently, I hear many black women complaining that many black men are choosing to be with white or Asian women instead of other black women.
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Post by beautyfr.pain on May 1, 2008 17:01:38 GMT -5
For me, it's actually kind of hard to date people of my race because ironically, I'm surrounded by other minority races from the part of the city I go to school in. (I'm the only Chinese person in my school, but maybe one of the...15 Asians) The Chinese people I do know are from my church (and I don't like admitting it, but) who I sometimes find hard for me to connect with them [long story] or from Chinatown (and a large majority of them aren't Christians, and I'm not into dating outside of religion. not as long of a story, but still pretty lengthy). Sometimes, when I meet a nice Asian guy, I feel closer to them because I feel we can relate, but the only guy I've dated that was close to my race was Vietnamese. The biggest thing about interracial dating IS the taboo of it. When my uncle married a white lady back in the 70s, it was like "HOLY SHIZ" for my family because he was the first to do it. I don't believe my grandfather talked to him much after that, but it might be because my uncle was in America while my grandfather was in Malaysia, but he wasn't too happy about the marriage either way. His two daughters ended up looking VERY Chinese though. Blessing or curse? My dad's cousin married an African-American (or black, whatever term is preferred...so confused about that, btw.) He was welcomed quite opening into our family, probably because he was very open to our traditions and ways and such. I later found out that their son gets picked on in school. I dunno if it's more because he's dark (and looks Asian; think Tiger Woods) or because he's not into sports, but it pisses me off. We were playing Truth or Dare Jenga at Christmas, and one question asked "If you could change anything about yourself, what would you change?" and he said he wished he could change his skin color. Holy cow, that broke my heart. My sister is currently happily married to an African-American (or black? ><) And my grandmother was cool with it because he very respectful also. I am currently interested in a cute El Salvadorian guy that sits across the room from me in 2nd block. XD And this sorta leads into another point that I made about the whole 'African/Black' subject in my political correctness rant. I - as well as a lot of other people in my ethnicity - classify ourselves completely different from "Africans". The moment our ancestors were brought [by force] to the colonies, and started mingling [sometimes also by force] with Whites and Native Americans, we lost our identity as Africans and became our own people. We have our own unique cultures that is totally different from African culture, and, a lot of us find it kinda offensive if somebody calls us "African American" since we have no connection to Africa aside from the fact thatour ancestors descending from that continent two centuries ago. We don't have family in over there and hell - some of us don't look remotely African (for instance, me). Which leads tot he one drop system deal. What makes us unique as Blacks is that, well, most of us aren't "black" in color. We are some of the most evidently mixed people in America, most of us having White and Indiginous roots. So rightfully, every Black person shouldn't have to only mark "Black" on standardized forms. We should also be able to list ourselves with "biracial". But on the flip side, since some of us have mixed ethnicities that go generations back, and since a lot of us don't recognize ourselves with the White and Indiginous cultures, we just stick with our own culture, "Black", not "African". My friends and I use to have debates about whether "Mexican" has become a race. I use to argue with a friend that they should be Hispanic, but later thought on it. Technically many people from Mexico are descendants with the Spanish having marriage with the natives (Mayans, right..?) so over time, I guess it's become it's own race/culture much like "Black" is. I, however, know people who take offense to the term black, so I just stick to political correctness. D: A lot of AA/blacks at my school can really be some ethnic-poseurs when they proclaim they're 1/64 Cherokee blood. >.> [small]And this isn't really ethnic-posing, but I'm tired of people who are trying to be Asian because they like Naruto. That's just being a poseur.[/small] Huh. I was thinking about this in terms of myself. What about countries that don't have room for interracial marriages? The part of China my great-grandparents are from weren't exactly close to borders, so there was little to none chance of any accidental mixing. I'm basically 100% Chinese (although my parents are from two different ethnic groups.) Now that I think about it, my mom's side is from Guangdong, a port town that was highly involved in trade when China first opened it's doors to outsiders. Wouldn't it be deliciously scandalous if someone I was like 1/256 something. hahaha! Well, I guess the term American Born Chinese is technically more correct then Chinese-American then, eh? But if you spoke in terms if adjectives and nouns, TECHNICALLY I am an American [noun] by nationality, but I'm Chinese by race, so Chinese American could still work..? Maybe. I'm not too fond of English. Oh and this is really random and not very important, but if someone claims they're 1/20 Japanese or something, they're either lying or really bad at math because TECHNICALLY if you're 1/x, x has to be 2 raised to a power. Ex. If you're 1/2 Japanese, and each time you have a descendant who marries another race, it'd be 1/4, 1/8, 1/16...etc. I'm really picky about math... [edit] Speaking of which, I don't know what it is, but to me, guys of one race can't stand to see women of their race dating men of another race. Or maybe it's people in general. Recently, I hear many black women complaining that many black men are choosing to be with white or Asian women instead of other black women. Haha my dad had a conversation about this with two black women that were giving me and my siblings vaccination shots back when I was like..7. He mentioned his black cousin-in-law and how it's more common for males to be more open to dating outside of their race, and the two nurses sort of think it's a pride deal with women to stick to their race sometimes, and all the adults have a rip-roaring laugh while I'm shaking from my former fear of needles. XD You guys should watch Yellow Fever. It's an attempt to solve the mystery of what Asian girls find attractive in White guys (and how in the end, Indians are the truth underdogs.) :] [/edit]
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Post by spiritmage234 on May 1, 2008 20:24:12 GMT -5
@beauty: This is the "Hispanic" excerpt from my political IN-correctness rant:
But on the Mexican thing. Yeah, most of them are pretty much in the same sitch that Blacks are in (if there is an actually situation). Most of them are Mestizos, those who are of European and Indiginous blood. Then there are the Zambos, who are the "Hispanics" who are of Indiginous and African bloods.
It's screwy Louie.
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Post by beautyfr.pain on May 1, 2008 20:48:22 GMT -5
Another ironic thing about how people think all Hispanic countries (my definition of hispanic being "The term refers to the culture and language of the Spanish-speaking countries of Hispanic America and Spain; or countries with a historical legacy with Spain") all speak Spanish, but there's so much variation to every country that it's unique in every place.
hmm. 'tis very screwy Louie.
(...I like taco bell D:)
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