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Post by MasterPakku93 on Dec 4, 2007 19:32:38 GMT -5
Bush has no idea what he's doing. We've done everything we could do in Iraq. We should've pulled out a very long time ago. Seriously, what is being accomplished over there? Whenever I hear about iraq on TV i dont here "Major breakthrough for war" I hear "Death toll rising, approval raiting dropping." it isnt good having this, ape for a president. -"Gee I dunno."
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Post by Gran Gran on Dec 4, 2007 19:55:04 GMT -5
Hm, the picture is bigger then 'having done everything in Iraq' it's not exactly an amusement park.
Pulling out is not as easy as going in. Especially with the way things are.
death toll rising...it is an unfortunate side effect of any armed conflict: people die. But compared to similar situations in history, the statistics are favorable. Of course it is still a tragedy for the individual's family...
The current administration has certainly it's share of faults, like the previous one and the one to follow. it is comprised of people who make mistakes. However, to resort to name calling discredits your argument.
Take this to heart, as I was about tho pull the trigger on the modify button!
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Post by Exorcist on Dec 4, 2007 21:30:48 GMT -5
Pulling out? ha, dont make me laugh, We are already too far in to this mess, there is no way out. This is just the beginning of wars fought in the name of democracy and freedom. I can predict, there will be more wars like this.
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Post by aangstheone on Dec 4, 2007 22:31:42 GMT -5
Hey thats a good pic... Not really I Like Pres. Bush... I wish I could meet him he is standing for what is right and completing what the promise is he gave out and the promise presidents made in Vietnam (The presidents who were for it LBJ, Etc.)
"Hello my fellow Americans..."
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Post by CountessRachel on Dec 4, 2007 22:38:28 GMT -5
Yeah. Too bad he's costing us billions of unnecessary tax dollars that could be going to better things trying to fight against some half-trained insurgents using outdated weaponry in the middle of desert... Democracy comes from within a country, not from the outside... Especially a country that already has a pretty good economic stability as it is.
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Post by aangstheone on Dec 4, 2007 22:57:06 GMT -5
The country needed help, and the only way to get democracy to from within the country is to get in the country...
We did and we still are...
Who ever was talking about death rates in a four year period more people died in Vietnam than in Iraqi Fredome
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Post by Gran Gran on Dec 4, 2007 23:48:40 GMT -5
Well, Vietnam lasted a long time...but yes..
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Post by Exorcist on Dec 5, 2007 0:37:36 GMT -5
Iraq doesn't need help, we invaded them because we thought they had weapons of mass destructions or they help support 9/11, We had no real reason to invade them. I would let them solve their own problems. We can't help everybody in the world.
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Post by Gran Gran on Dec 5, 2007 11:19:03 GMT -5
true enough, but know there is a problem, made by removing the keystone out of the Iraqy power structure.
Sadam being gone is a 2edged blessing: On the one hand it's good he is gone, on the other hand, what filled the void is worse. And that is the doing of the invasion.
The middle east has always been am unstable region, since biblical times. But now the one country with relative stability has been reduced to rubble...
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Post by decoy on Dec 5, 2007 12:12:11 GMT -5
Bush Jr. should have learned from Bush Sr. There was a reason he didn't take out Saddam fifteen years ago. He knew that it would disrupt the balance in the middle east. The attempt of spreading democracy, in recent history, has gone wrong since the Korean conflict.
Democracy shouldn't be injected into a country, especially those as complex as the middle east nations. The change should ultimately comes from within.
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Post by Exorcist on Dec 5, 2007 18:53:30 GMT -5
You're right, if the people really wanted democracy, let them stand up for it themselves. EX: Burma and the recent protests.
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Post by Gran Gran on Dec 8, 2007 2:23:51 GMT -5
The people have to be ready for democracy.
1918 Germany was forced into it when the people would have rather kept their Kaiser, and look what a mess came off it!
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Post by aangstheone on Dec 9, 2007 22:39:52 GMT -5
The people who wanted a democracy were discouraged to speak what they taught...
@ Exorcist: We can try to help the people in this world, every body wants globa peace but how can we achive it without trying... Trying is better than letting things happen that can be bad, its kindof like the Jedi
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Post by Blind Bandit on Dec 9, 2007 22:46:11 GMT -5
The people who wanted a democracy were discouraged to speak what they taught... @ Exorcist: We can try to help the people in this world, every body wants globa peace but how can we achive it without trying... Trying is better than letting things happen that can be bad, its kindof like the Jedi The problem is we pushing our perspective , morals, ethics, and lifestyle on others that don't want it. I want to help the world as much as the next guy but we also need to respect the fact that many countries don't won't our help and we just end up looking bad in the process.
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Post by aangstheone on Dec 9, 2007 22:57:54 GMT -5
I agree to a certain extent I dont think we should push our Morals, ethics, and lifestyle on them, Just our Goverment... Edit Last Post: I meant to say Global not globa Sorry
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