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Post by theweasleyboys on May 16, 2006 9:27:57 GMT -5
We also need a Maiko Stealthy Ninja...otherwise known as yours truly. XD You can't have a Shipper gang without a ninja. Oh, here are some other important points--they both want to rise above their current stations in some way or another, and they both have younger siblings that get all the attention because of their skills/cuteness. Two more things these fellows have in common.
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Post by kittenluv on May 16, 2006 10:16:04 GMT -5
man.... i can't think of anything smart to say either. all i can say is i agree with everything that was already said.
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Post by cami on May 16, 2006 12:08:25 GMT -5
FINALLY!!!! I've been waiting for people to object to the idea that Zuko will join the Aang gang. I've been opposed to the idea from the beginning. Zuko needs to grow up and follow his own path... one that doesn't involve tagging along with someone. Zuko is a person who needs to be a leader in order to stand on his own two feet. Just because the guy isn't evil doesn't mean that people should assume that he'll automatically join the Aang gang. It's way too predictable and way too overused. I don't really have much else to add. Everyone said everything already. Hey!! I've objected to this idea from the first moment I heard it, way back before any of these new characters even joined the show.. nobody listens to me.. (except when I'm wrong)..!! Zuko is not the sort to sit around a campfire with the gang telling stupid jokes.. and I prefer the idea of him either being a loner or forming his own group that is right for him.. I think the idea of Zuko joining the gang is one that was designed to support Zutara..
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Post by theweasleyboys on May 16, 2006 12:18:54 GMT -5
Well, it's all the more exciting if this particular character would create a group of his own, wouldn't it? He is ten times more mature than the kids in the Gaang are, Katara not withstanding. He's had life experiences that they wouldn't have faced in their worst nightmares...
...not to mention the thought of him and Mai together would be much sweeter than having to stoop to the levels of juveniles.
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Post by Amira on May 16, 2006 12:22:01 GMT -5
Well, it's all the more exciting if this particular character would create a group of his own, wouldn't it? He is ten times more mature than the kids in the Gaang are, Katara not withstanding. He's had life experiences that they wouldn't have faced in their worst nightmares... Losing one's mother to the fire nation, father going off to war would have to be traumatic for Sokka and Katara.
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Post by cami on May 16, 2006 12:30:17 GMT -5
I'm thinking the total destruction of your race could be considered traumatic for Aang..
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Post by theweasleyboys on May 16, 2006 12:32:48 GMT -5
Well, let's put it this way. They never had to deal with any family members wanting them dead/locked up forever now, have they? Or being attacked by their parents? Or being constantly put down in favor of a younger relative? Or having to beg in the streets?
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Post by cami on May 16, 2006 13:06:09 GMT -5
If Afiko turns out to be true -- that's kind of on-par with that -- losing his friends when he found out he was the Avatar? It's the opposite side of the spectrum -- being a pariah because you're too good -- but the same idea..
I think Aang can relate to Zuko in some ways -- although I would be very surprised if they decided to form some sort of support group.. they may just have an unspoken understanding..
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Post by Gotterdammerung on May 16, 2006 17:34:45 GMT -5
Well, clearly. I mean, the idea of a truce between Aang and Zuko is not completely unfounded. I think it's well foreshadowed, but the primary focus of most scenarios about Zuko joining up with Aang's group is Katara helping to heal his Wounded Soul or even more literal healing of his scar (which, I cannot say enough how opposed I am to the idea of Zuko's scar ever being healed). This is because the two major hurdles to Zuko/Katara being canonically feasible are them being at crosspurposes and having no reason to interact. Putting Zuko with Aang's group neatly gets rid of both of those.
On the other topic, while I think that they've all been through fairly traumatic experiences and there's really never any good to come of comparing tragedies, I do think for entirely unrelated reasons that Zuko is on a different maturity level than Aang's group.
Sokka, Katara, and Aang (and Toph) for all their differing personalities and the fact that they can be serious and responsible, etc. in turns are ultimately still portrayed as kids. Zuko is very much, especially this season, being portrayed increasingly more as an adult or someone right on the cusp of adulthood (which makes sense since he's probably seventeen now). I just can't imagine him meshing with them on a whole bunch of levels.
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Post by randomphrase on May 16, 2006 20:38:26 GMT -5
Well, clearly. I mean, the idea of a truce between Aang and Zuko is not completely unfounded. I think it's well foreshadowed, but the primary focus of most scenarios about Zuko joining up with Aang's group is Katara helping to heal his Wounded Soul or even more literal healing of his scar (which, I cannot say enough how opposed I am to the idea of Zuko's scar ever being healed). This is because the two major hurdles to Zuko/Katara being canonically feasible are them being at crosspurposes and having no reason to interact. Putting Zuko with Aang's group neatly gets rid of both of those. On the other topic, while I think that they've all been through fairly traumatic experiences and there's really never any good to come of comparing tragedies, I do think for entirely unrelated reasons that Zuko is on a different maturity level than Aang's group. Sokka, Katara, and Aang (and Toph) for all their differing personalities and the fact that they can be serious and responsible, etc. in turns are ultimately still portrayed as kids. Zuko is very much, especially this season, being portrayed increasingly more as an adult or someone right on the cusp of adulthood (which makes sense since he's probably seventeen now). I just can't imagine him meshing with them on a whole bunch of levels. Aang-(100 and)12 Toph-12 Katara-14 Sokka-15 Zuko-17 I do not think the two twelve year olds would, or could, be on the same maturity level as a seventeen year old. Fourteen and fifteen are close, but I still say there would likely be a very big maturity difference. There are some "different kinds of things:(Bumi acts like a little kid; A twelve year old and a fourteen year old like each other (6th grader + 8th grader) I am not bashing the younger characters (some of which I like ;D) I am just saying they are younger.
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Post by Revitalize Book on May 16, 2006 23:48:53 GMT -5
*karmas!* YES OMG. Breathing, I have been thinking this for the longest time. It's just pretty much assumed in this fandom that Zuko will join up with Aang and the gang, but I've never really liked the idea at all. I do much prefer the idea of him traveling his own path and assembling his own group. Now, I fully expect a truce between him and Aang in the end, before the final battle, but I think that Zuko is just still so far from being aligned with Aang's mission right now that it's sort of ridiculous. They're still at crosspurposes, not as directly as they were when he was actively chasing Aang (Though we still can't be ENTIRELY certain he's given up on capturing him. I think he has but we don't have confirmation.), but still pretty separate and distinct goals. I think Zuko standing up and declaring himself the way that he did in Zuko Alone drives home this fact. He doesn't want to defeat the Fire Nation, if we judge by the fact that he calls himself heir to the throne and still cites his father's name without hesitation, he doesn't want to overthrow his father. He wants his birthright to be his, not his sister's. He's resolved himself not to be passed over in the way that Iroh was. Now, how he goes about trying to achieve this since even capturing Aang will likely do no good at this point remains to be seen. But I think he's still a long ways away from the outright rebellion/treason that joining up with Aang and actively working to overthrow Ozai would be. Zuko's nothing if not a loyalist. Also, I love your scenario for Mai/Zuko, but I have a noted White Knight kink so it's to be expected. I do however think chances of Mai joining Zuko in his travels before he reunites with Iroh are low. I'd love it a lot, but whenever I consider it I keep thinking that Nick probably wouldn't want to have coed teenagers traveling by themselves unattended so to speak. I mean, a teenage brother and sister with a pair of twelve-year-olds is one thing. But I just cannot imagine them going ahead and having 17 year old Zuko traveling alone with 16 or 17 year old Mai, who has a noted romantic interest in him, on a Y7 rated show on Nick. And I honestly can't decide if adding Ty Lee would make it better or worse. Probably worse since it would seem like Zuko was traveling with a harem, heh. I haven't decided mine yet either! I really want one too because I started off deeply intrigued with this pairing from moment one and now it is so totally my OTP on this show to the exclusion of all other ships, so I really feel like I should have a position! ETA: Hmmm. Maybe I can be Ambassador...I am a pacifist by nature! But that doesn't sound quite...fervent enough? *Sob* Why is deciding a name of Maiko so hard?? XDD I wanted to be leader- I shall admit it! But...*rubs back of head, blushing* Witchdoctor sounds cool...X) >.>...*Grabs* X)) Witchdoctor *with a myth degree and animation degree and herbs degree and medicine degree in Maiko* of Maiko, at your service! Eh, I better think about this. <.<...XDD This is great! I thought I was going to get slammed in the gut for thinking Zuko won't join Aang and the gang...^^;; I'm glad I didn't trouble anyone. I apologize if I did though. I meant no harm. *Sobs harder* Nooooooo!!!!!! Mai and Zuko alone...maybe...maybe the kids wouldn't question two teenagers traveling by themselves?? (But the adults would @_@) Oo la la! XD Tarnation- So close! *Thinks up another plot bunny* I think you would be an awesom Ambassador Gotterdammerung! Go for the metal if it shines the brightest. X) Edit: TARNATION! Warchief?? Tea Leady?? I want one!! XDD Wah-I dunno! Um- er-eeps..!! *Bows elgnantly* *Secret Warchief* Tea Lady of Maiko at your service. Oh! Oh! Could I?? Please? X) *Chibi Mai eyes* Edit: Hmm...Here's a question: do you guys think Iroh would accept Mai? :-) I think he would accept *or try to* anyone Zuko loves. There's so much about Mai we still don't know...But as long as Iroh doesn't think of her like Jun *yikes!* it's all good. X)
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Post by Revitalize Book on May 16, 2006 23:51:44 GMT -5
Well, clearly. I mean, the idea of a truce between Aang and Zuko is not completely unfounded. I think it's well foreshadowed, but the primary focus of most scenarios about Zuko joining up with Aang's group is Katara helping to heal his Wounded Soul or even more literal healing of his scar (which, I cannot say enough how opposed I am to the idea of Zuko's scar ever being healed). This is because the two major hurdles to Zuko/Katara being canonically feasible are them being at crosspurposes and having no reason to interact. Putting Zuko with Aang's group neatly gets rid of both of those. On the other topic, while I think that they've all been through fairly traumatic experiences and there's really never any good to come of comparing tragedies, I do think for entirely unrelated reasons that Zuko is on a different maturity level than Aang's group. Sokka, Katara, and Aang (and Toph) for all their differing personalities and the fact that they can be serious and responsible, etc. in turns are ultimately still portrayed as kids. Zuko is very much, especially this season, being portrayed increasingly more as an adult or someone right on the cusp of adulthood (which makes sense since he's probably seventeen now). I just can't imagine him meshing with them on a whole bunch of levels. That is true. Omg- the levels...@_@ Maybe that is why they would overlap in a unsettling way? It's pretty bad if: The maturity level is uneven The emotional level is uneven And the spiritual level is uneven... ...within Avatar. @_@ It can work...but maybe that is how Iroh and Zuko seemed great as a pair, if they were? Because their level was somewhat close..? The peices all come slowly...XD But it's so much fun getting there.
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Post by Gotterdammerung on May 17, 2006 0:22:22 GMT -5
You know, in general, I can't imagine anyone that Iroh wouldn't get along with!
But more specifically, I do think that Iroh would accept anyone that Zuko liked.
Heh. Iroh/Mai. Not EVEN going there.
Though, I do have a sudden urge to write fic about Iroh and Zuko traveling with Mai (and, maybe, Ty Lee) with Iroh trying to play chaperone. Because for some reason I find that hilarious.
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Post by Revitalize Book on May 17, 2006 0:33:25 GMT -5
*Waits eagerly for it* XD I'd so read that. X)
Iroh and Mai...
Zuko: Uncle...why are you looking at my wife like that?
Iroh: *Purrs*
Zuko: Why are you dressed in leather..?
-Augh. No more!! XDD A side of Iroh no one needs to quite see!! *Unless someone wants to..? @_@*
I wonder what Mai and Zukos dates would be like..? *Thinks bemused*
Mai: No Zuko, I don't want any apples.
XDD
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Post by storybookgirl on May 17, 2006 2:00:14 GMT -5
^ Heh, yeah, no apples.
And yeah, I'd read that story, too, Gotterdammerung!
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