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Post by Tungsten on Jun 1, 2007 1:53:44 GMT -5
In Naruto Shippuden, Sasuke entered Naruto's mind during their reunion. While inside Naruto's mind, the Nine-Tailed Demon Fox mentioned how Sasuke's Sharrigan eyes remind him of Madara Uchiha. Since then, people on this board have been throwing his name around during conversations about various Naruto theories, explainations, and predictions.
Who is Madara Uchiha and what role do you think he will play in the future?
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Post by syarafire on Jun 1, 2007 15:13:53 GMT -5
I've been wondering about that ever since I watched the first episode of Naruto Shippuden. I don't believe the name's ever been mentioned before in the series, so I don't think Sasuke or Itachi (the only remaining Uchihas who we've heard speak in non-flashback scenes) are very familiar with him.
Since the Nine-Tailed Fox is familiar with him, I'd assume that he was fairly important or powerful, considering how strong the demon fox is himself. I wouldn't think that he'd know the name of just any Uchiha.
He must have died, or at least lost all importance, before the birth of Naruto and the sealing of the demon. I'd expect him to be significant to the plotline somehow, so I'm expecting maybe a relation to another character, or something similar. Not blood-related, like he (presumably) is to Sasuke and Itachi, but connected somehow. We don't have any idea about the teammates of the Fourth Hokage, so do you think it could be possible that Madara Uchiha ia somehow connected to him in that way?
Personally, I think that would be a little lame, considering how many teams we already have that model Team 7. (The Sannin and Kakashi's team come to mind as examples.) But I'm just throwing around ideas.
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Post by Hana on Jun 1, 2007 16:22:36 GMT -5
If no one has read this theory yet, you should. It is claimed to be one of the most well thought out theories and it involves Uchiha Madara. The link is here.Besides that it is also believed that Madara was one of the statues at the valley where Sasuke and Naruto fought. Another theory about the Madara/Kyuubi relationship involves Madara learning the Kyuubi's fire jutsus since the Kyuubi literally is the "God of Fire". (I'll write more as it comes to me.)
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Post by Chibi Chan-o on Jun 1, 2007 20:50:10 GMT -5
I've heard theories that Uchiha Madara is the leader of Akatsuki. Kyuubi knew him, so maybe Madara tried to seal him but it didn't quite work out.
But from the theory with the Byakugan woman marrying Sojobo, Naruto could have very loose ties to Madara.
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Post by Tungsten on Jun 3, 2007 13:17:32 GMT -5
Personally I think that Madara is just an Uchiha ancenstor that died a long time ago. I believe that the only reason why the nine tail fox even mentioned him was just to hint that there is something sinster about the sharrigan. I don't think that Madara is the leader of Atasuki or is lurking in the shadows somewhere.
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Post by Uchiha Ichigo on Jul 29, 2007 18:24:41 GMT -5
Madara is the first uchiha he always has the sharingan on and he didnt have to kill his best friend to get the mangekyo and he made a deal with the 9 tailed fox which was that he would show the fox what he could do and if he liked it the fox would help him and so he showed him and that the deal was he would give madara an unlimated suply of chakra to defeat his demon father which took the form of a human to marry a young girl from the hyuga clan (name unknown) she thought that it was out of love but it was just to make a perfict body that he could take over and become even stronger in he would wait till his son was in his late teens before talking over his body but madara foind out about this and made the deal with the fox to stop his evil father and when he fought his father even with the suply of chakra from the fox he still could not kill his father so he put a seal on him and would lock him away the only way to relase his father was not 1 but 3 mangekyo users and someone with the power/chakra of the 9 tailed fox and then he fought the first hokage wich was his best fiend and they both declared they would protect the village at any cost and that why there is an uchiha police force and the reason he fought was becuase the 1st was upset that he went behind his back and made a deal with the 9 tailed fox for more power and madara did not tell him about his father becuase he thought that it was a dicrase to be the son of a demon so they fought in the valley of end (were sasuke and naruto fight before sasuke leaves) they say that the battle raged on for many days and that even with the power of the fox the 1st held is own hence the statues that are standing acorss from each other at the base of the water fall no one knows who won some say that madara won and spared his friend and stayed in the village to protect it like he promised others say that the 1st won and told him to leave one of the members of the new caln so they could have a police force and cast madara out for his miss deds no one knows what happen but to this day he is still alive he is tobi in the akatsuki (see chapter 364 can download narutochaos.com for free)
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Post by Chevalier Vi Liberté on Aug 19, 2007 19:36:04 GMT -5
I accidently found a spolier revelaing who Madara and Tobi are. They are one in the same. Tobi is Madara Uchiha Also, Pein, leader of Akatsuki, takes orders from Tobi and does not maintain authority over him. Spoiler info obtained from this link.and this link
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Post by Chibi Chan-o on Aug 19, 2007 20:57:34 GMT -5
^ What? That is total crap. It hasn't been shown in the manga that they are the same or that Tobi is Madara or the other way around. People like to post false spoilers on Wikipedia. Wikipedia is only good for finding out about things that are 100% true and can be found without fail in the manga.
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Post by Chevalier Vi Liberté on Aug 19, 2007 21:34:12 GMT -5
@chibi Think of it what you like but wiki said it and it lists it sources at the bottom and all of it is the magna. Also, if you want more evidence then take a look at these pages from the latest magna. Also, wikipedia gets rid of fake spoilers fast and I am not sure if you are still allowed to edit info on there. 1. groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/chapter364mq.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=437592. groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/chapter364mq.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=43760So, basically in the official manga, the latest release, unedited. Tobi refers to himself as Uchiha Madara, and it also shows his right eye, which shows his Sharingan. I am pretty sure that points at the direction that Madara and Tobi are one in the same unless there is some Kakashi-Obito Sharingan case where Tobi takes Madara Sharingan. The problem with that is that it sounds insane. So, in order for the Obito to be Tobi then that means Obito lost one Sharingan to Kakashi and took Madara's Sharingan? Otherwise, how could Tobi have Madara's power. I think the Obito is dead and that is that. All of this evidence seems to support the that Tobi is Madara. I also have this crazy idea that Tobi is perhaps two people. Maybe he is part Obito and part Madara since his personality tends to not to stay the same always.
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Post by aangstheone on Aug 19, 2007 22:00:33 GMT -5
@chibi Think of it what you like but wiki said it and it lists it sources at the bottom and all of it is the magna. Also, if you want more evidence then take a look at these pages from the latest magna. Also, wikipedia gets rid of fake spoilers fast and I am not sure if you are still allowed to edit info on there. 1. groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/chapter364mq.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=437592. groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/chapter364mq.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=43760So, basically in the official manga, the latest release, unedited. Tobi refers to himself as Uchiha Madara, and it also shows his right eye, which shows his Sharingan. I am pretty sure that points at the direction that Madara and Tobi are one in the same unless there is some Kakashi-Obito Sharingan case where Tobi takes Madara Sharingan. The problem with that is that it sounds insane. So, in order for the Obito to be Tobi then that means Obito lost one Sharingan to Kakashi and took Madara's Sharingan? Otherwise, how could Tobi have Madara's power. I think the Obito is dead and that is that. All of this evidence seems to support the that Tobi is Madara. I also have this crazy idea that Tobi is perhaps two people. Maybe he is part Obito and part Madara since his personality tends to not to stay the same always. Key word in this is Refers...
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Post by Chevalier Vi Liberté on Aug 19, 2007 22:02:16 GMT -5
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Usually if you refer to yourself as someone, you are that person. He could be referring to himself in the third person because he thinks of himself so greatly and is very arrogant. The evidence points more toward Madara being Tobi than it does Obito being Tobi. Someone referring themselves as a certain person and having their Sharingan on the right side of their body instead of a guy who's right body was crushed and his left Sharingain taken. I think if your right Sharingan is crushed then you cannot just get a Sharingan out of nowhere. Also, I don't even want to get into the possiblity of Obito's body being stiched together with his crushed Sharingan. In addition, when did Akatsuki have the time to go find Obito's body and bring him back to life if the organization did not exist when he died. I also don't know of any incidents where someone was really brought back to life completely and lived once again. I think when Kakashi said Obito's right side was crushed he died and that was the end of it. Of course, I could be wrong and there is the possibility of some crazy plot twist. I just doubt that.
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Post by aangstheone on Aug 21, 2007 20:45:08 GMT -5
Your right plot twist or my theroy
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Post by Chibi Chan-o on Aug 21, 2007 21:02:54 GMT -5
^ Usually if you refer to yourself as someone, you are that person. He could be referring to himself in the third person because he thinks of himself so greatly and is very arrogant. The evidence points more toward Madara being Tobi than it does Obito being Tobi. Someone referring themselves as a certain person and having their Sharingan on the right side of their body instead of a guy who's right body was crushed and his left Sharingain taken. I think if your right Sharingan is crushed then you cannot just get a Sharingan out of nowhere. Also, I don't even want to get into the possiblity of Obito's body being stiched together with his crushed Sharingan. In addition, when did Akatsuki have the time to go find Obito's body and bring him back to life if the organization did not exist when he died. I also don't know of any incidents where someone was really brought back to life completely and lived once again. I think when Kakashi said Obito's right side was crushed he died and that was the end of it. Of course, I could be wrong and there is the possibility of some crazy plot twist. I just doubt that. In the Naruto world, they end up keeping their limbs and surviving EVERYTHING. I think that Kakuzu had something to do with him being whole again. And maybe Oro was still in the organization and he used a forbidden jutsu to bring him back. Why, I don't know but it would explain why Tobi just walked away from being slashed nearly in half by Sasuke. If you remember in the fight between Sandaime, Nidaime, and Shodaime, even after the two got blown up, they regenerated.
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Post by Chevalier Vi Liberté on Aug 21, 2007 21:48:44 GMT -5
In the Naruto world, they end up keeping their limbs and surviving EVERYTHING. I think that Kakuzu had something to do with him being whole again. And maybe Oro was still in the organization and he used a forbidden jutsu to bring him back. Why, I don't know but it would explain why Tobi just walked away from being slashed nearly in half by Sasuke. If you remember in the fight between Sandaime, Nidaime, and Shodaime, even after the two got blown up, they regenerated. Yes, I understand many things happen in the Naruto world. I just do not see how Kakuzu could stitch back Obito together with Sharingan and all. I do not think Kakuzu has the abilities to stitch someone back together with kekkai genkai and all. Also, I do not see why Orochimaru would bring Obito back to life unless it helped him in some way. Also, we have never seen Orochimaru's forbidden jutsu remain intact. In his battle with the Third Hokage, the 1st and 2nd Hokages souls were once again removed and they died. Also, his fight with Sasuke only proves that Tobi has the ability to recover from what are presumably debilitating or fatal blows. That does not mean he was brought back to life and the only way to kill him is by removing his soul. I say that because if Obito was brought back to life using the forbidden justu, then he could only be killed by the removal of his soul. Okay, so in the fight between Sandaime, Nidaime, and Shodaime they regenerated. That does not prove anything. Perhaps, Tobi has regenerative properties but that does not mean he is Obito.
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Post by aangstheone on Aug 21, 2007 22:02:58 GMT -5
Orochimaru wants a sharingan, why not bring back Obito, hes got a sharingan, just one but still its a sharingan... that gives orochimaru a reason!
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