nandireya
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Post by nandireya on Apr 13, 2007 23:13:54 GMT -5
But which girl is most compatible is a totally different thing to which is most deserving...
Hmmm...let's see...
Katara - actually a fairly high compatibility here if you ignore the all-but mortal enemies thing...their both very dedicated to whatever cause they decide to follow, their both pretty stubborn, they both have pretty nasty tempers and they've both experienced a great loss...and she knows who he is.
Song - they've both been burned by the Fire Nation so she can empathise with him in a way none of the others can...but she knows him as Li/Lee...
Jin - she wasn't bothered by the scar and let his awkwardness slide...but like Song, she doesn't know who he really is...
Mai - she knows who he is and likes him...or at least likes who he used to be...and that's about it...at least as far as we've seen...
Toph - hasn't actually met him but knows who he is...they share a stoic loner personality...
Yue - never met, but both were born to privilege and responsibility, both have an overdeveloped sense of duty that makes them do things they may not really want to do...
Suki - knows who he is, only interaction has been fighting, both very dedicated warriors...
Ty Lee - knows who he is, totally opposite personalities...she'd drive him NUTS!
Meng - never met...too hung up on Aang...
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inuyatta
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Post by inuyatta on Apr 13, 2007 23:39:37 GMT -5
Good summary, Nandireya--one question though. Aside from the fake names, Zuko never actually outright lies to Song about those questions she asked, did he? It's been a long while since I've seen the episode, but he never actually made up an elaborate story (unlike the circus juggler story he went with during the date with Jin), did he? So in essence, she was speaking to Zuko, even though he went by a different name. I dunno, by all means, talk with me about it, I'd like to hear what you think. Or if it's inappropriate here, PM or the Soko thread works too.
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Post by dialee16 on Apr 14, 2007 10:26:25 GMT -5
Katara deserves better than zuko... I'm zujin, but i accidently clicked mei and didn't notice it. ( Iwasn't really paying attention) It could be worst though, i could have clicked katara.
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Post by aangryjerk on Apr 14, 2007 10:31:50 GMT -5
Romantic relationships do not make problems go away either. They compound and hide problems, and in the end both people get hurt. Say what? That's a terribly cynical outlook, and I disagree with you completely. Part of the very act of being in a relationship with someone is helping each other with problems, and if Zuko is going to have a relationship, that is what he will be doing. I'm not talking about crushing and kissypoo, but a partnership like what Aang and Katara have. They help each other out with their issues, or at least Katara helps Aang with his. I am not sure if they really have a romantic relationship, but it is nonetheless a helping one. What's the problem with Zuko having that? Like Iroh said, accepting help is something he needs to learn, let's see him learn it by doing it. Didn't you see how Song reacted when she saw him steal her horse-birdy? She looked like she was about to cry, and closed the door. She was obviously so hurt she could only hide away. She was sweet and kind, but she didn't have the backbone to assert herself. No, I don't think she could deal with conflicts very well. Katara deals with conflict superbly. There is abundant proof of this in her battle scenes and when she got into peoples' faces. And I recall reading that Mai has a fiercesome side that we're yet to see. Jin maybe would be cowed, but 5 seconds later she would have forgotten all about it.
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Post by aang06 on Apr 14, 2007 12:50:17 GMT -5
I think "deserve" is a bad choice of words because imo Zuko doesn't deserve to be with any girl.
But as for the girl who i would most like to see with Zuko, that's Mai
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Post by ktscarlet on Apr 14, 2007 12:55:50 GMT -5
Oh I don’t think deserve is the right word either, I think the right question is who could put up with Zuko. Enough said.
I am not going to vote on this one, we barely know half of those peoples feelings for Zuko and how he feels about them. Especially Mai and Katara and at this point I think those are the main Zuko ships, the two girls are both main characters and it seems as they will be the ones interacting with Zuko the most in the upcoming season, but that is just my opinion.
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Arsid
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Post by Arsid on Apr 14, 2007 13:03:17 GMT -5
Mai is perfect for him. She's firenation, he's firenation. She's emo, he newly restored his emoness...
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Post by Kite on Apr 14, 2007 13:08:55 GMT -5
They are not prizes to be won, wrong choice of words. I would like to see Zuko with Mai. In my opinion, Maiko is the only pairing for Zuko.
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nandireya
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Post by nandireya on Apr 14, 2007 18:00:19 GMT -5
[rant]One of the reasons I'm so against Mai is BECAUSE she's Fire Nation...for Zuko to accept her is for him to accept everything the Fire Nation is and that would keep him firmly on the Dark Side and that's something the majority of the fandom don't want.
And the fact that they're both fairly sombre people...jeez, where would be the spark in that? There'd be no heat...no passion...what would be the point? Unless the creators do something to prove otherwise, the pairing holds about as much excitment to me as a limp noodle...[/end rant]
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aquavi
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Post by aquavi on Apr 14, 2007 18:18:09 GMT -5
Say what? That's a terribly cynical outlook, and I disagree with you completely. Part of the very act of being in a relationship with someone is helping each other with problems, and if Zuko is going to have a relationship, that is what he will be doing. I'm not talking about crushing and kissypoo, but a partnership like what Aang and Katara have. They help each other out with their issues, or at least Katara helps Aang with his. I am not sure if they really have a romantic relationship, but it is nonetheless a helping one. What's the problem with Zuko having that? Like Iroh said, accepting help is something he needs to learn, let's see him learn it by doing it. Then Zuko needs a friend, not nessicarily a romantic relationship. A friend, a good friend does all those things without, hopefully, the sort of emotional baggage that a romantic relationship would bring into the woodwork as well. And considering the only friend Zuko has (dispite both Aang and Jet trying, though Jet later went against it) is Iroh. So then you do think Song is a push-over then? And I honestly didn't think she was about to cry, just simply that she was very disappointed by his actions. (Her eyes lacked a glistening effect that's common in anime. They simply widened) And quite frankly, what good would it have done if she did do something? He would have kept on going and she has no way of stopping him. (unless she's secretly an Earthbender). I greatly dislike this idea that fandom seems to have in regards to characters like Song, and Yue as well for that matter, where fighting ability = strength and therefore that's the only sort of girl for Zuko because she can defend herself. What? Zuko's suddenly become an abusive husband/boyfriend? Because he's got a temper? Katara has a temper too, and yet no one is wondering if she'll beat up Aang/Zuko/Jet/Haru/etc... (which, depending on the guy, is a little more likely then Zuko causing harm to Katara/Song/Mai/Jin/etc...) In any case, you should remember that earlier in the episode Song does smack Iroh (twice) when he's itching his rash. She actually gets a face the first time. That alone proves that Song can stand her ground, rather then if she had only politely asked Iroh to stop scratching his rash (which by the way, would have been how a push-over is characterized in a scene like this in most anime). But hey, I doubt you've watched the ep as many times as I have.
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Post by avaang15 on Apr 14, 2007 18:50:59 GMT -5
That's exactly what i say about Zutara, what would be the point of it?
But seriously if the creators are going to do Maiko, i'm pretty sure they'll make it have all those things u stated.
Lol, i don't think they'll make it "limp noodle" boring
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Post by aangryjerk on Apr 14, 2007 22:46:35 GMT -5
So then you do think Song is a push-over then? And I honestly didn't think she was about to cry, just simply that she was very disappointed by his actions. (Her eyes lacked a glistening effect that's common in anime. They simply widened) Nope. sorry she looked downcast enough that she probably was about to start weeping. You don't need to see cartoony tears for that. But I agree that what Zuko needs is a friend who's a peer. Iroh isn't a peer, he's too old and too kooky. I've just been trying to say if Zuko is to have a girlfriend, I'd like her to be a peer and a friend as well. I've only said that she was sensitive. By strength, I'm not talking about brawn and fighting skill. I've been trying to say that a girlfriend for Zuko has to not be so easily hurt emotionally. She needs to be able to deal with him when he's in jerk-mode, and not take it personally. Song could have just stepped out the door and said, "Hey, don't steal my horse-birdy!" So what if that wouldn't have stopped him? But she couldn't do it because she was too overcome with emotion. She was hurt emotionally, because she liked Li, and he was callous to her. The horse stealing really wasn't the issue, it was his callousness that cut her to the bone. Zuko seems to have matured since then, so maybe if they met again he will be kinder and try to make amends. But still, IMO Song would probably be too emotionally sensitive for him, unless she's developed a thicker skin in the meantime.
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Post by Aibhill on Apr 14, 2007 23:13:02 GMT -5
Girls don't "deserve" Zuko. He isn't a prize at a carnival that the girl with the best sob story wins. He isn't at the end of a obstacle course. Zuko is a teenager who should end up with the girl he falls in love with. I don't care if their personalities are uncompatable, but if Mike and Bryan can put across that they truly love each other, I'm good. Though preferably its Katara or Mai.
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aquavi
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Post by aquavi on Apr 14, 2007 23:26:47 GMT -5
aangryjerk: I read into an implicatin that I've seen many times in regards to this, very general, archtype. Hell, I've made that implication myself (back in the day...) so I'm the pot who knows full and well that she's calling the kettle black. I just wanted clarification is all, since it seems that it comes down to our varying introspections of Song, which makes since she's a one-episode character so there's a lot of leeway. I just know there are different characterization routes that the creators could have taken to make Song as sensitive as you think she is (and I do think she's a sensitive person, that's part of her charm, but not so much that it's somewhat debilitating, otherwise she might still be mooping about her scar) so I guess that confuses me is all.
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Post by inuyatta on Apr 14, 2007 23:41:05 GMT -5
I'm sorry, but I believe you are wrong. Tears are not exactly something they hold back on in this series. Katara, Zuko, Aang, etc have all shown tears, and I don't particularly believe any of these characters to be uber-sensitive. Song didn't cry because she felt more disappointment than heartbreak--and she understands the mind of a desperate refugee, which is more than likely why she did not stop him. Besides, Iroh had just recovered from something that would have taken his life, thus adding to the probably inclination that they needed it more. This is not a sign of her being oversensitive (she had plenty of prime opportunities to shed tears amongst all that talk of lost fathers and such, yet did not) or that she is spineless--if anything, she's been shown to be the opposite.
And I dunno about you, but the last time I saw Katara deal with confrontation, it was usually through a screaming match with Toph and Zuko (and later trying to beat him down) or trying to put some ice shards through Jet. Not exactly what I'd call ideal when faced with confrontation. I don't condemn her for it, but she is still learning.
As for the peer business, this is still where Song would fit the bill perfectly--she's understanding and sympathetic, and around if not the same age as Zuko.
Just saying.
Thought I'd add my two cents, as I'm getting quite tired of the misunderstanding when it comes to Song. Granted, no one's seen her since CoTL, but still, I don't like seeing the facts misinterpreted and twisted around into something that just is not true.
In any case, I still stand by that Zuko does not deserve or need any female companionship until he sorts himself out and starts making atonement for his mistakes.
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