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Post by dialee16 on Dec 26, 2007 10:37:11 GMT -5
I'm sick of all this "That was his interpretation" crap. There is no oppinion invloved, only clear facts people foolishly deny.
Allow me to make myself clear. (edited and popular request)
There was a kiss.
Katara ovoiusly kissed back. (Edited again) It's very apparent.
The ship IS canon.
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Post by taiyo *on limited hiatus* on Dec 26, 2007 11:15:19 GMT -5
^I don't think anyone would appreciate being called slow. Or having their IQ compared to a rat. And personally, I think it is a matter of interpretation. You're right, the kiss happened. No denying that. Did she kiss back? It looked like it to me too and I'm not a Kataang shipper. Really, I couldn't care less. Now where the interpretation comes in is Katara's reaction. It even rubbed off a little weird on a family member of mine and she's a passionate Kataang fan. Sheesh, fandom, it's just a show.
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Post by liz6363 on Dec 26, 2007 11:40:01 GMT -5
@dailee16: That was unnecessarily mean. If you want to state your opinion then say it in a respectful manner and do so without claiming it's fact. Some people have different opinions on what canon IS not just how it is achieved. If you believe that the scene between Katara and Aang makes Kataang canon then fine but some other people need some solid facts from the show that prove that Katara feels the same way about aang as Aang feels about her. For instance some people may want to make sure that Katara's reaction was positive from her lips not from some fan-interpretation which is extremely biased. There's no need to say your opinion in such an insulting manner.
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Post by Kohana on Dec 26, 2007 11:45:53 GMT -5
Taiyo and Liz are right, dialee16. It's good that you're willing to defend your ship and it canon-ness, but you don't need to be so rude about it. Try to be more thoughtful of others when you post something like that again, thank you.
And about the Kataang, I personally think it's canon. It has been there since the first episode, when Aang kept smiling at her while they were on Appa and her being so sad he had to leave (though some can interpret that because he was the only way for her to get a Master, but she was saddened after all). Plus for me canon is when it's already been stated in the show that there are certain feelings, even if it is just one-sided. And I believe Aang has confessed his love for her, albeit not to her in person, so many times that it's obvious the little fellow loves her.
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Post by zukostalker on Dec 26, 2007 13:34:05 GMT -5
It's been, from episode one, one-sided canon, but now in DoBS, we see them kiss. She my not like him like that, but she may never see him again, so she kissed him back. We don't know how she feels. Heck, she's a cartoon. It's up to Mike and Brian.
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Post by dialee16 on Dec 26, 2007 15:32:08 GMT -5
I wasn't tryng to be very mean. I was trying to get my point across by being blunt, at the risk of coming off as impolite. I become blunt when people go into denial, don't listen to other people, or refuse to tolerate a idea that they dislike. (such as the idea of kataang being canon)
I find it easier to be to-the point about things then repeating the views of other people and myself over and over again until someone finally gives up there denial.
Also, i admit the rat thing and other things i said wern't nice. I've been playing call of duty 2 all morning, so I wasn't feeling very polite.
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Post by liz6363 on Dec 26, 2007 17:59:48 GMT -5
There's no reason I would be in denial considering I ship Kataang. So I'd RATHER have it be canon, therefore it's not that I'm refusing to tolerate an idea I dislike. I'd rather be 100% sure that it's canon instead of getting my hopes up. And if you think that I have an IQ lower then a rat's because of it then keep it to yourself, because no one wants to hear that. Your bluntness was just you avoiding a real discussion (which can be polite), instead you resorted to insults to get your point across. There are alot of other ways to state an opinion, try backing up your argument with solid facts, not just saying that your interpretation is vastly superior to everyone else's because it's no more accurate then ours.
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Post by Ana on Dec 27, 2007 1:01:51 GMT -5
The constant hemming and hawing is starting to make Katara in particular look like a dolt - I mean, c'mon! Eh, I like the fact Katara is insecure about a romantic relationship with Aang. I mean, she isn’t about much else and, well, it makes sense for her character. She’a a Watter Tribe peasant who has been taking care of others for most of her life. Then she meets the Avatar, someone she believed her whole life would return to save the world, and she starts to have Feelings for him. Realizing this would make her evaluate herself for once and it probably makes her feel overwhelmed and shy. If your definition of canon is an openly mutual romance....and I mean OPENLY UNDENIABLY MUTUAL, then kataang still needs a final push. Well, every pairing will need a final push if that’s the case. Fandom denies everything at any given time. Seriously though, Kataang is canon but I do agree it needs a little push. The feelings are mutual (again I point to: The Headband ) but Katara’s are a bit more subtle.
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Post by spook on Dec 27, 2007 7:42:16 GMT -5
Please, PLEASE don't take this as pompous Kataang shipper talk, but I'd call Kataang 'canon' based on the several times it has been presented in the show. Regardless of whether Katara feels the same, it's been presented within the show as a love relationship. Heh, Katara has been presented as having the same feelings for Aang a long time ago. That debate is as pointless as the debate about whether or not Kataang is canon. Again, the only reason it's even a topic of discussion is because many people don't want it to be mutual, so they scour the face of the earth in search of things to reinforce their views, rather than facing the obvious. It's like trying to debate whether or not clouds are made of water. Some people might not like that idea and want to make it a topic of discussion. But it's just not. It's a question with a very simple answer, and no matter how many times you try to debate or contest it with tidbits of flawed arguments, clouds will always be made of water. And yeah, Katara and Aang haven't openly hooked up yet. Doesn't make it any less canon or any less mutual. Just means the story hasn't ended yet.
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Post by dialee16 on Dec 27, 2007 9:47:32 GMT -5
There's no reason I would be in denial considering I ship Kataang. So I'd RATHER have it be canon, therefore it's not that I'm refusing to tolerate an idea I dislike. I'd rather be 100% sure that it's canon instead of getting my hopes up. And if you think that I have an IQ lower then a rat's because of it then keep it to yourself, because no one wants to hear that. Your bluntness was just you avoiding a real discussion (which can be polite), instead you resorted to insults to get your point across. There are alot of other ways to state an opinion, try backing up your argument with solid facts, not just saying that your interpretation is vastly superior to everyone else's because it's no more accurate then ours. And therein lies the problem. People have already stated all the facts, everything i had to say on this thread already. So i just tried to enforce it. As stated, i realized what i said was wrong. (long before your last post..)
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Post by Power on Dec 27, 2007 15:24:20 GMT -5
It's very forbidden by the heavens thats why xD. Not this forum in particular, but I have seen posts that say that Kataang is the greatest sin to grace the Avatar Universe. It doesnt even upset me I agree with you there buddy. This is why I have basically mellowed out concerning debates on defending Kataang. I am pretty much certain that it will conclude the way that the creators intended it to. I don't need to hold my head above the water in hope, the official closure hasn't occured, but its coming no doubt about it.
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Post by Paraiba Ocean on Dec 27, 2007 15:29:33 GMT -5
Many also say the same about Zutara. Both ships can be the scourge of the universe depending on where you go. XD
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Post by Zenjamin on Dec 28, 2007 12:01:15 GMT -5
It's up to Mike and Brian. Hey! your 100% correct. Interviewer from this interview after "The Crossroads of Destiny:"I have never seen shipping take on a life of its own as I have with the fans of Avatar. What do you think of all this?" Bryan Konietzko:"I think it's important to note one thing I have heard from the internet is that some fans have the idea we've put shipping into the show because they've asked for it...requested it. This is totally not the case. Mike and I like to do melodrama stuff and we wanted that in there. Not that it's all cheesy, but we wanted that from the get-go. Five years ago when we were developing this. Mike DiMartino adds: Yeah, Aang/Katara, that romance. Some stuff developed along the way, and we're glad some fans are more receptive to that element of the show, but it was in the DNA of the thing from the start.
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