Ana
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Post by Ana on Dec 24, 2007 0:28:20 GMT -5
How can you tell that Katara kissed Aang back from that screencap? ...Because she goes from totally freaked to leaning into him? At this point, we really can't confirm her feelings for him. Sure we can. Even if the DOBS kiss was meant to be ambiguous (which, considering even my little sister watched it and got a very firm opinion, I don’t think it was) there are still big Katara -> Aang moments in The Cave of Two Lovers and The Headband. Your evidence is all taken from SCREENCAPS. Not the episode in context. I could say the exact same thing for you. If you watch the kiss through, it is obvious that Aang kisses Katara because he might not be able to do so tomorrow. Katara was not expecting this kiss but, once she realizes Aang is kissing her, she leans into him. The "surprised" look comes that comes after comes from the fact that, you know, this is war.
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Post by Paraiba Ocean on Dec 24, 2007 0:29:28 GMT -5
That's YOUR interpretation of the scene, Zen.
It's ambiguous like yice said. Please give me something new to discuss.
@ana: I'd have to watch that scene again, but that particular screencap says nothing to me. XP
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Post by night on Dec 24, 2007 0:29:51 GMT -5
"transitional frames" what the hell does that even mean? thats a dangerous and subjective word. really, if they wanted to show that katara was not into it, they would have kept her shoulders up, her eyes open, and they definitely wouldnt have her kissing the air for more after aang pulled away... im not sure how any of that serves any sort of hidden transition. Transitional frames have nothing to do with the show. They are merely frames in the animation that are there solely for movement, etc. Its part of the animation.
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yiceman
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Post by yiceman on Dec 24, 2007 0:34:21 GMT -5
People ignore me Guys, we can wank back and forth, but the fact remains that it was an ambiguous moment, and as such, it was probably intentionally ambiguous. Now why would they do that? Why would they keep us guessing? Maybe because they're trying to tell a good story rather than conclude this romance asap. They've kept it going for two and a half freaking seasons...why would they give us any definitive answer in such a questionable way? It's supposed to be ambiguous. It's just like the did they/didn't they? moment in CoTL. Heck...let's say kataang happens, and it's been planned forever. Would Mike and Bryan say they kissed in the cave? I bet they wouldn't. They probably don't know. That's how it's supposed to be. Intentionally ambiguous, my friends. Intentionally ambiguous.
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Zenjamin
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Post by Zenjamin on Dec 24, 2007 0:36:27 GMT -5
Transitional frames have nothing to do with the show. They are merely frames in the animation that are there solely for movement, etc. Its part of the animation. ya, i kinda figured that... but please address how relaxation/the air kiss/blushing/ect... serve as a transition? why could they not have had katara keeping her eyes open, shocked tight shoulders, and not kissing the air after aang? in fact, as katara ends up looking sad with open eyes, those things would have much better served the purpose of "transitional frames" P.S. Yce's argument for why that kiss was not a kataang moment is the best there is. "M&B are just screwing with our heads." and although i agree to a degree (M&B dont want to show all the cards just yet) i do think kataras positive reactions were foreshadowing at minimum. this being because M&B have said that the "romantic relationship" between katara and aang has "been in the DNA of the show" and planned since day one, and not for the benifit of the fans, but because its something they like.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2007 0:38:19 GMT -5
That's YOUR interpretation of the scene, Zen. It's ambiguous like yice said. Please give me something new to discuss. @ana: I'd have to watch that scene again, but that particular screencap says nothing to me. XP \ Here's a clip to the kataang kiss just in case you miss it Katara leans into Aang at the 39 second part. www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdOOxlbYOGM&feature=PlayList&p=15A050EBECCD1C50&index=1
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Post by ReelTrebleMaker on Dec 24, 2007 10:15:56 GMT -5
There was a kiss. We all know that. But it's not like we can get inside Katara's head and see what she's thinking! (If only, right?) She is a teenager; Aang's kiss was probably her first. Unless I was totally grossed out by one of my guy friends kissing me, I'd probably kiss him back as an instinctive reaction. Afterward, I'd be all, "What the heck did I just do?"
We know NOTHING for sure (though many of us THINK we know ;D). I personally think that yes, Katara does have some feelings for Aang, but not to the extent that he cares about her. Must we all be so argumentative? I don't think I understand what the big deal is about this. Everybody is different, and things mean differently to each person; what looks to be obvious romance or love might appear to be complete embarrassment to someone else! We shouldn't bash other people's opinions or views--it's all speculation at this point.
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Post by spook on Dec 24, 2007 11:05:04 GMT -5
Wow, a canon/fanon debate turning into a debate whether Kataang is canon. Big shocker there!
I'll just summarize my feelings: Kataang will never be accepted as canon. Doesn't really take away from the fact that it has been the most canon ship in Avatar since season one, but as long as people don't want it to happen, they'll think of ways to avoid and circumvent this inconvenient truth.
Anyway, the list of canon ships: Kataang Maiko Jinko Tokka Sukka Ty lokka Jetara Yuekka Meng/Aang (Maang?) Onjaang
Fanon: Everything else.
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Post by dialee16 on Dec 24, 2007 11:43:49 GMT -5
Zen and Analeisa both proove that katara WAS kissing Aang back, and kataang IS canon. There is not second way around it, there is only acceptance and pathetic denial. In fact, a lot of people who posted on this thread are in a state of denial that makes me mad. Get over it dudes, kataang is cannon, (more so that any other ship aside from possibly miako) it's not the end of the world.
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Post by Paraiba Ocean on Dec 24, 2007 16:57:53 GMT -5
Zen and Analeisa both proove that katara WAS kissing Aang back, and kataang IS canon. There is not second way around it, there is only acceptance and pathetic denial. In fact, a lot of people who posted on this thread are in a state of denial that makes me mad. Get over it dudes, kataang is cannon, (more so that any other ship aside from possibly miako) it's not the end of the world. The kiss and Katara's reaction are ambiguous to me. I saw the video clip and I'm not entirely convinced that it's canon. I don't have to be because those are Zen and Ana's interpretations of the scene. If Katara said "I love Aang more than a friend," then perhaps I would be in denial.
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Post by liz6363 on Dec 24, 2007 18:09:44 GMT -5
Tokka is considered Canon but only one-sided I believe, and that's all I care about
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yiceman
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Post by yiceman on Dec 24, 2007 18:28:13 GMT -5
If your interpretation of "canon" is that the writers clearly put in some romantic themes between two characters, no matter the end result, then kataang is canon, and so's the other stuff spook listed.
If your definition of canon is an openly mutual romance....and I mean OPENLY UNDENIABLY MUTUAL, then kataang still needs a final push. They need to be openly dating. If that's your idea of canon, then canon ships are maiko, sokka/suki, and sokka/yue to some extent.
At least that's how I see it ;p
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Post by luthien on Dec 24, 2007 19:26:05 GMT -5
^^^I'm with yice. Not quite canon yet, but it's getting there. I'm not sure why Mike and Bryan are dragging it out this long, though. I mean, I know they're trying to add suspense, but since they've pretty much said flat-out those two characters are getting together, there's no suspense left. So why not allow us to see how Katara and Aang function as a romantic couple? The constant hemming and hawing is starting to make Katara in particular look like a dolt - I mean, c'mon!
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yiceman
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Post by yiceman on Dec 24, 2007 20:18:23 GMT -5
Be grateful. They're better at build up than actual interaction. Sokka and Yue had build up...soon as they really got together, she's dead. Sokka and Suki had build up, and as soon as they get together...she's gone. Kataang is 2.5 seasons of buildup so far.
Maiko...no build up, straight to interaction. I really wish they had stuck with their previous method on that one.
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Castoro Chiaro
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Post by Castoro Chiaro on Dec 25, 2007 3:41:15 GMT -5
Wow, a canon/fanon debate turning into a debate whether Kataang is canon. Big shocker there! I know! I don't know what it is about Kataang, but it seems to generate the most controversy in the fandom. In MY little book of fandom, this is MY definition of these key words: Canon n. A relationship within the story that is intended by the creators to reach a romantic level. This relationship may be one-sided, but still exists within the confines of the actual plot. Fanon n. A relationship within the story that is viewed by the viewers as being a love relationship. These views are based on events from the show and interpreted by the viewer's personal opinion. Crack n. A relationship within the story or that does not even exist that is too hot for the creators to emulate into the plot ;D The difference, to me, is whether it is an opinion of the viewers or an indisputable fact presented by the creators. Please, PLEASE don't take this as pompous Kataang shipper talk, but I'd call Kataang 'canon' based on the several times it has been presented in the show. Regardless of whether Katara feels the same, it's been presented within the show as a love relationship.
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