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Post by night on Dec 23, 2007 23:50:18 GMT -5
Same here. All I see is an obvious crush from Aang...nothing from Katara thus far... Its obvious she cares for him and thinks of him as more than a friend I mean would you just look at anybody like this. I think Katara has a thing for Aang. That doesn't exactly mean that she's in love with him. You know, people can dance with each other without being totally in love. You seem to forget that Aang and Katara CAN in fact be just friends, and not lovers.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2007 23:53:59 GMT -5
Its obvious she cares for him and thinks of him as more than a friend I mean would you just look at anybody like this. I think Katara has a thing for Aang. That doesn't exactly mean that she's in love with him. You know, people can dance with each other without being totally in love. You seem to forget that Aang and Katara CAN in fact be just friends, and not lovers. I didn't say they were lovers I said it looks like Katara has a thing for Aang. Yes friends can dance with friends and it means nothing but she's looking at him with a very seductive look.You don't look at just a friend like that.
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Post by Zenjamin on Dec 23, 2007 23:54:54 GMT -5
Yes, but during the kiss in DoTBs Katara seems rather shocked, surprized, etc. as if she was not expecting the kiss at all. Also, Katara, although blushing, does seem rather unenthusiastic after the kiss. Maybe because she wasn't expecting a kiss from Aang, or perhaps she doesn't feel the same way for him? o boy , here we go again... please read this. or at least the part where it breaks down the body language. ITS WAR PEOPLE! aang just said that he was going to leave katara, perhaps for death, perhaps never to see her again. of coarse she was going to look sad, she understands the reason and context for why he kissed her right then. really, the air kiss should be enough of a giveaway of what was going on in her head during the kiss. just read the article if you insist on saying katara acted the way she did because she feels nothing for aang. It is the stuff you will have to argue against.
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Post by Ana on Dec 23, 2007 23:56:47 GMT -5
Yes, but during the kiss in DoTBs Katara seems rather shocked, surprized, etc. as if she was not expecting the kiss at all. Actually, this only help proves my point. Yes, she is surprised ( anyone would be in that situation) but once she realizes what’s going on she leans into the kiss. Please note: the relaxation of the arm, the tilt of her head, and that her eyes don’t stay bugged out. As for Katara being unenthusiastic, Aang was exactly the same. You aren’t saying he doesn’t like Katara. The thing is.. this isn’t the time for smiles. Aang was about to go fight the Fire Lord and, possibly, never come back.
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Post by night on Dec 24, 2007 0:00:17 GMT -5
Yes, but during the kiss in DoTBs Katara seems rather shocked, surprized, etc. as if she was not expecting the kiss at all. Also, Katara, although blushing, does seem rather unenthusiastic after the kiss. Maybe because she wasn't expecting a kiss from Aang, or perhaps she doesn't feel the same way for him? o boy , here we go again. please read thisor at least the part where it breaks down the body language. ITS WAR PEOPLE! aang just said that he was going to leave katara, perhaps for death, perhaps never to see her again. of coarse she was going to look sad, she understands the reason and context for why he kissed her right then. really, the air kiss should be enough of a giveaway of what was going on in her head during the kiss. just read the article if you insist on saying katara acted the way she did because she feels nothing for aang. It is the stuff you will have to argue against. Yes, but if you actually watch it and not analyze every frame, you see that Katara was obviously not expecting the kiss at all whatsoever, and has an obvious surprised/disappointed/wtf face on. And whoever wrote that article seriously needs to go out more. Honestly. It. Is. Just. A. Show.
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Post by Paraiba Ocean on Dec 24, 2007 0:04:45 GMT -5
All I see is an obvious crush from Aang...nothing from Katara thus far... Really? Katara has blushed over Aang, gotten jealous over Aang, and when Aang kissed her she kissed back. How can you tell that Katara kissed Aang back from that screencap? The only reason I know Aang kissed her is because when I saw the episode, he made the move. zen: As fun as it would be for me to take ONE fan's outlook on the show as the gospel truth, I'm going to have to pass. It's their interpretation of the show, not mine.
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Post by Zenjamin on Dec 24, 2007 0:06:40 GMT -5
Yes, but if you actually watch it and not analyze every frame, you see that Katara was obviously not expecting the kiss at all whatsoever, and has an obvious surprised/disappointed/wtf face on. And whoever wrote that article seriously needs to go out more. Honestly. It. Is. Just. A. Show. it was written in response to a zutara article that was about 3X as long. (and was pure text) and the stuff in the article was pretty obvious to me the first time i watched the show. i didnt think something like that had to be written. 1) it was war, aang said he might never return. the context was sad, and the show made that obvious. 2) katara showed signs of liking it. (relaxation, the blush, the air kiss) 3) katara looked sad after the kiss. this, to me, was all pretty obvious and could be added up pretty quickly the first time you saw it. but the fandom can cloud much.
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Post by Zutara7 on Dec 24, 2007 0:09:49 GMT -5
Yes, but during the kiss in DoTBs Katara seems rather shocked, surprized, etc. as if she was not expecting the kiss at all. Actually, this only help proves my point. Yes, she is surprised ( anyone would be in that situation) but once she realizes what’s going on she leans into the kiss. Please note: the relaxation of the arm, the tilt of her head, and that her eyes don’t stay bugged out. As for Katara being unenthusiastic, Aang was exactly the same. You aren’t saying he doesn’t like Katara. The thing is.. this isn’t the time for smiles. Aang was about to go fight the Fire Lord and, possibly, never come back. Exactly, he was about to face the firelord. How could she possibly reject his kiss when he was about to save the world and defeat the fire lord? Could she really just push him away? No. At this point, we really can't confirm her feelings for him.
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Post by Paraiba Ocean on Dec 24, 2007 0:10:15 GMT -5
zen: I don't care who responded to what pairing's article, every ship's shippers are entitled to interpret the scenes with underlying messages as they wish. I can choose to disagree with both the Zutarian AND the Kataangian if I want to. I'm not entitled to agree with anyone. Ever. And to respond to part 3, hasn't it been pointed out she could have just been sad by the fact he was leaving or from the kiss? If my best friend kissed me, I might look a little disappointed if I didn't feel that way, too. xP Call me stubborn or hardheaded or whatever you like, but there's absolutely no way I can look at that scene and say "Yep, Kataang is mutually canon."
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Post by night on Dec 24, 2007 0:10:50 GMT -5
it was written in response to a zutara article that was about 3X as long. and the stuff in the article was pretty obvious to me the first time i watched the show. i didnt think something like that had to be written. 1) it was war, aang said he might never return. the context was sad, and the show made that obvious. 2) katara showed signs of likeing it. (relaxation, the blush, the air kiss) 3) katara looked sad after the kiss. this, to me, was all pretty pbvious and could be added up pretty quickly the first time you saw it. but the fandom can cloud much. As Para stated, the articles are merely interpretations. And I'd rather listen to my own interpretation than have a kataang one shoved at me. Your evidence is all taken from SCREENCAPS. Not the episode in context. If you watch the kiss through, it is obvious that Aang forces the kiss on Katara, who reacts in a way that both of us obviously interpret differently. All the times I've watched DoTBS, I have gotten the feeling that Katara in fact was not expecting the kiss whatsoever, thus bringing on the "surprised" look that I call shock/dissapointment and you call mutual feelings.
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Post by yiceman on Dec 24, 2007 0:14:15 GMT -5
^I'm actually fairly certain that the only thing that the creators were trying to pull with Katara's reaction is to keep her response in the dark. We're not supposed to know what she thinks yet. That's become clear...as much as some folks like to say it's obvious she feels the same for Aang, it's never actually been said on the show.
They're just extending the whole thing. They wanted it to be ambiguous. They've done this before.
Why did the lights go out in CoTL? Why don't we KNOW if they kissed or not? Because they don't want us to.
I mean, think about it guys. You KNOW that 5000 people have probably asked Mike and Bryan whether or not they kissed...did they give an answer? No, else it would be plastered all over this board.
So we can sit on two sides, compiling a crap-load of facts and interpretations that probably never even crossed the writers minds, or we can wait and see. You might be able to logically say that, because of Katara's blush at the end, they DID kiss, or that, because of her continued apparent ignorance, they didn't. But it really doesn't matter...we're not supposed to know.
Same goes here. As much as I love this show, they've never been so subtle as some people seem to think. If we were supposed to know what Katara was thinking...we'd KNOW. We wouldn't be writing essays compiling facts and data.
We're not supposed to know yet.
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Post by Zenjamin on Dec 24, 2007 0:18:33 GMT -5
it was written in response to a zutara article that was about 3X as long. and the stuff in the article was pretty obvious to me the first time i watched the show. i didnt think something like that had to be written. 1) it was war, aang said he might never return. the context was sad, and the show made that obvious. 2) katara showed signs of likeing it. (relaxation, the blush, the air kiss) 3) katara looked sad after the kiss. this, to me, was all pretty pbvious and could be added up pretty quickly the first time you saw it. but the fandom can cloud much. As Para stated, the articles are merely interpretations. And I'd rather listen to my own interpretation than have a kataang one shoved at me. Your evidence is all taken from SCREENCAPS. Not the episode in context. If you watch the kiss through, it is obvious that Aang forces the kiss on Katara, who reacts in a way that both of us obviously interpret differently. All the times I've watched DoTBS, I have gotten the feeling that Katara in fact was not expecting the kiss whatsoever, thus bringing on the "surprised" look that I call shock/dissapointment and you call mutual feelings. ah, well, if you wont look at "SCREENCAPS", the context of war, or the positive things katara showed... If you only examine your personal opinion... well, i cant really argue with you there. its impossible to. but sometimes you have to realize that your feelings might be affected by your fandom, and you have to distance yourself and look at all points objectively. afterall, stuff shown in "SCREENCAPS" are there for a reason. if its there, Its because M&B put it there... and not randomly either. P.S. the article i linked stresses the context of the episode and the war, not isolated screencaps. dont argue about whats in the article if your not willing to read it.
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Post by night on Dec 24, 2007 0:20:33 GMT -5
ah, well, if you wont look at "SCREENCAPS", the context of war, or the positive things katara showed... If you only examine your personal opinion... well, i cant really argue with you there. its impossible to. but sometimes you have to realize that your feelings might be affected by your fandom and you have to distance yourself and look at all points objectively. afterall, stuff shown in "SCREENCAPS" are there for a reason. if its there, Its because M&B put it there... and not randomly either. Screencaps may show transitional frames that shouldn't be mistaken for canon evidence.
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Post by Paraiba Ocean on Dec 24, 2007 0:26:02 GMT -5
P.S. the article i linked stresses the context of the episode and the war, not isolated screencaps. dont argue about whats in the article if your not willing to read it. PS. Read it. I still disagree.
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Post by Zenjamin on Dec 24, 2007 0:26:59 GMT -5
Screencaps may show transitional frames that shouldn't be mistaken for canon evidence. "transitional frames" what the hell does that even mean? thats a dangerous and subjective word. really, if they wanted to show that katara was not into it, they would have kept her shoulders up, her eyes open, and they definitely wouldnt have her kissing the air for more after aang pulled away... im not sure how any of that serves any sort of hidden "transition". PS. Read it. I still disagree. great, care to explain why or how? again, just saying you disagree or you dont "feel it" is something that cam be influenced by past interactions/preferences within the fandom. gotta have the ability/humility to separate yourself from that for a while.
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