HeartofFire
Haru
Or should I say, he used to be torn...
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Post by HeartofFire on Feb 21, 2008 0:46:34 GMT -5
This topic is about Ursa/Ozai and not about your fangirling of Ozai. Add something constructive to the former or don't post at all. At any rate, Bryan did say: "Also, there was a time when it probably wasn't such a bad marriage. I think they probably started okay. Certainly better than it ended up." So, I imagine it started with cute stuff like this and got worse and worse as Ozai got crazier for power. Oh, i like that! Thanks for finding that--it's really cute. I do remember reading that Bryan said that, so that gives this Ursai shipper some hope for it's at least one-time canonity. lol I know not everyone likes that ship... But perhaps it would be more comfortable for all concerned if those who don't like it avoided this thread, so that those of us who do like this ship can discuss it without making non-fans mad. Just a suggestion, tho. Hope i didn't offend anyone.
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Ana
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Post by Ana on Feb 22, 2008 14:58:39 GMT -5
But perhaps it would be more comfortable for all concerned if those who don't like it avoided this thread, so that those of us who do like this ship can discuss it without making non-fans mad. Well, non-fans can come in but they shouldn't be weren't all "Ursa and Ozai didn't really love each other so this ship isn't good" (though Nick’s official site does say Ursa was "the perfect match for Prince Ozai" ) and such. That isn't productive to anyone. Anyway, here is some lovely Ursa/Ozai fic and this Avatar art meme has a funny Ursa/Ozai bit.
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HeartofFire
Haru
Or should I say, he used to be torn...
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Post by HeartofFire on Feb 23, 2008 1:41:37 GMT -5
Thanks for posting those! I really like them. Also thanks for clearing up what should be disussed in a shipping thread... I'm not saying non-fans shouldn't come in here per se, just that it gets a bit unpleasant for us fans when they start talking about how much they hate the ship. But anyway, glad that's cleared up. (Nick's official site says that? Cool. More Ursai evidence.)
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HeartofFire
Haru
Or should I say, he used to be torn...
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Post by HeartofFire on Jul 11, 2008 0:06:47 GMT -5
I'm sorry for the double post--i'm just trying to bump this and see if i can get it going again by any chance. I may not be able to, but i thought i'd give a try. Speaking of fanart, I thought i'd post the links to some i've found on devart. (Just to warn you, the second one is a bit more...mature, if you know what i mean. I really like it, tho, as well as the first one.) Ship Silhouette-Ozai+Ursa by kaiyrahlord and his lady by ~tpizgirl
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2008 0:47:59 GMT -5
^ I liked both fan arts the second one doesn't show anything I think its ok. But the first is very pretty in fact both seem to have Ursa with the same reaction.
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HeartofFire
Haru
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Post by HeartofFire on Jul 12, 2008 0:57:37 GMT -5
I'm glad you liked the fanarts--they're some of my favorites so far that i've found. Also, thanks for posting here--i really love this pairing (in fact it's become my OTP, surpassing even Maiko--which i also love), so it's nice to have the thread stay alive at least for a little while.
As a suggestion to maybe keep it going, i think it'd be fun to say what songs we think fit Ursai. Three that I like for this pairing are What Have You Done? by Within Temptation, Lacrymosa by Evanescence, and Wish I Had an Angel by Nightwish. (That last one is too dark for just about any other ship, but despite some of the rather mature lines--which i don't really mind in this context--i really like that song for Ursai because to me it has a feeling of the regal beauty and mystery that i tend to associate with an imperial Asianesque society--like the Fire Nation--and with the ship itself. Also, something that's kind of cool is that both What Have You Done? and Wish I Had an Angel are sung by a male and a female singer, and the parts sung by each voice kind of sound like what Ozai and Ursa would say.) I can post links to the lyrics/vidoes of the songs, if you like, but i'll let this be all for now.
Anyway, there's my two cents. I might post some of my own fanart later.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2008 1:07:22 GMT -5
I didn't know you shipped Maiko, but its nice to know you do. As for songs I can't think of any that remind me of Ursai and I think form the ones you mentioned I've only heard the Evanescence one. I would love to see some of your own art.
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Ana
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Post by Ana on Jul 13, 2008 22:11:30 GMT -5
My song pick is Samson by Regina Spektor. I think it fits Ursai because Ursa really does seem to be Ozai’s "sweetest downfall”"since he doesn’t love much else. Also, they couldn’t really "bring the columns down" because their marriage ended badly.
Have some lyrics: And history books forgot about us and the bible didn't mention us And the bible didn't mention us, not even once
You are my sweetest downfall I loved you first, I loved you first Beneath the stars came fallin' on our heads But they're just old light, they're just old light Your hair was long when we first met
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HeartofFire
Haru
Or should I say, he used to be torn...
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Post by HeartofFire on Jul 14, 2008 0:31:52 GMT -5
I like that song, and it seems to fit them. I'll have to search for it on youtube. Femble, here's some of my Ursai art--i'm honored you wanted to see it. ^-^ Both of these pieces are rather fanciful, since i like drawing not-completely-realistic fanarts sometimes. This first one is supposed to illustrate the phrase, "as a moth to a flame"--that's one of my favorite metaphors for this ship. Hence the reason they're in the middle of an inferno, and Ursa has moth wings. As a Moth to a FlameThis next one is even more fanciful. It's part of a series i was doing where i drew various FN royals in non-FN clothing and with various kinds of wings. (The reason Ursa's holding a fire lily is that those flowers are my other favorite metaphor for this ship--they're beautiful but extremely shortlived, so it seemed to fit in a kind of sad and poetic way. In the picture, one petal's falling off, and that's supposed to represent how maybe their time is already starting to run out.) Here's the uncolored versionAnd the colored versionAlso, since Femble hadn't heard the other two songs i mentioned, I thought i'd post links to their lyrics and music vidoes using them, in case anyone wanted to take a look. Here are the lyrics to What Have you Done? by Within Temptation (you may have to scroll down), and here's a music video using the song. (The muvid's actually about Katara, but at least you get to hear the song.) I'm out of time, but i'll post a link to the lyrics of the other song later. Edit: It's later, so here are the lyrics of Wish I Had an Angel by Nightwish, and here's a music video done by the band. (As I said before, some of the lines are quite mature, so just be warned. I still really like this song for Ursai, tho. Some of my favorite parts are the lines that go "Old loves, they die hard/Old lies, they die harder" and also "Last dance, first kiss/Your touch my bliss/Beauty always comes with dark thoughts.")
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Kyatto
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Post by Kyatto on Jul 15, 2008 3:50:39 GMT -5
I love this pairing. It's one of my favorites!
I'm actually working on a comic that explains how they got together.
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HeartofFire
Haru
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Post by HeartofFire on Jul 15, 2008 18:25:52 GMT -5
What a coincidence--I'm currently working on a comic on the same subject, only in the setting of a modern AU highschool. (It's so fun drawing Ozai in a black leather jacket. ^-^ lol) When it's up on devart or somewhere, i could give you the link, if you want. Also i'd love to see your comic. I love this pairing too, as i've said, so it's good to find another dedicated Ursai shipper!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2008 1:21:25 GMT -5
HeartofFire- I love your fanarts. Both are good but I really love the first one. Ozai actually looks nice there. And Ursa's pose just gives it a tragic romance feel. And make sure you post a link to your comic when you start uploading it.
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Post by Scarlett Ember on Jul 16, 2008 2:09:05 GMT -5
Another Ursai shipper here! I always liked the idea of it, but since there wasn't much in the show about their relationship at all it was hard for me to try and ship it. But after that scene in Zuko alone I just loved it. It's hard to ship them when we don't see a lot of their relationship, but I think that makes it a little more fun! I can come up with my own theories on their relationship based on the little we know about it!
I'm actually hoping to get around to a fanfic or two about them, since I think it would be really interesting to see how people expand on it. Again, we don't see a lot, so there is a lot of room to expand on. If anyone has already read one or has any suggestions, let me know, but I see from another post some were put up and I'll probably check those out!
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Kyatto
Kyoshi Azula
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Post by Kyatto on Jul 16, 2008 2:38:50 GMT -5
I honestly don't believe Ursa was as nice and good-natured as fandom makes her out to be. Definitely not "pure". After DOBS, it's been made pretty obvious she murdered Azulon and forged a will. Yes, she loved Zuko and nurtured him. But, like Ozai, she showed favoritism. I think that even until the end they were happy together. She probably understood Ozai's desire. Hence why she would even forge a will in the first place. They probably plotted together.
Sure, some of her intentions were good, but she still committed crimes. I also think she chose banishment because she would rather live freely after committing a murder than having to sit in jail and constantly think about it. And it also meant that at some point she could be reunited with her family again. I think part of Ozai's anger when Zuko was older was because he missed his wife, and probably partially blames Zuko. (After all, she did it to protect him.)
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Post by Scarlett Ember on Jul 16, 2008 3:04:30 GMT -5
Very nicely put, Kyatto, I agree completely! I know the whole killing Azulon thing seemed to be only to save Zuko, but the way the whole situation played out hints that the way she did it was also to help Ozai, as you explained.
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