Kyatto
Kyoshi Azula
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Post by Kyatto on Jul 16, 2008 5:19:49 GMT -5
Very nicely put, Kyatto, I agree completely! I know the whole killing Azulon thing seemed to be only to save Zuko, but the way the whole situation played out hints that the way she did it was also to help Ozai, as you explained. Yeah. She could've killed Azulon and had that been it. (Thus making Iroh Fire Lord.) By forging a will, she helped her husband get what he wanted. That speaks a lot for their relationship. She totally loved him.
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HeartofFire
Haru
Or should I say, he used to be torn...
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Post by HeartofFire on Jul 16, 2008 20:15:00 GMT -5
I'm glad to see more posting on this thread! You guys made my day. ^-^ On the subject of "what happend that night," one thing is that we don't know for sure what exactly Ursa did--all we heard from Ozai (who i wouldn't say is the most trustworthy character on the show, tho i love him to death lol) is that Ursa did "vicious, treasonous things that night." I'm not saying it couldn't have been like your idea, but personally i'm just sort of holding off on what to think. I do like to think she loved him, tho. ( Here's a funny bit of fanart that fits with this subject, btw.) Thanks, Femble--glad you liked my art. ^-^ And yes, I'll be sure to post the comic when it's up. As to fanfics for this ship, i've found some good ones, but i don't have time to post them right now. (But i will later). Edit: Here are some, mostly that i had added to my favorites on fanfiction.net. All the Things I Wanted by Artemis Rae (rated K+) Ephemera by LoveroftheFlame (rated T) Excerpts from the Diary of Princess Ursa by Karalora (rated T) First you should read the prequel, Lucky to be Born (rated K+) Lilacs by Lost Whispers (rated K+) Linger by Hermonthis (rated K) Sons of the Golden Flame by Karynna (rated T) The Dispute by It'salreadycreeping (rated K+) Triskaidekaphobia by ohsoxalive (rated K+) That's all for now. I might post more at some point (I've added quite a few to my favorites list. )
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2008 2:53:53 GMT -5
^ Lol I like the fan art you posted.
Those are a lot of fan fictions, when I find time I should read some of them.
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Post by Fire Lord Azula on Jul 17, 2008 12:52:23 GMT -5
Oh, awesome. Someone resurrected the Ursai thread. This pairing has grown on me, and I don't feel it receives the attention it deserves. After all, it's canon! I don't believe Ozai to be purely evil and incapable of love. That distinction belongs to his daughter. I think he had -- has? -- the capacity to love, and that there's something much deeper to his relationship with Ursa than we realize. As Kyatto and Scarlett Ember mentioned, Ursa could've killed Azulon and been done with it. As Azulon's firstborn and favored heir, Iroh would've assumed the throne upon his return home. But, through her behind-the-scenes manipulations, Ozai became Fire Lord, instead. Why would she do that, if not out of love? We all know she did it for Zuko, but Ozai directly benefited from it, too, when he didn't have to. One of my best buddies is absolutely enamored by Ursai. It's definitely one of her favorite pairings. Check out this fanart: it's brilliant. She's quite the accomplished artist! "Your father is the only one in your way, and I could clear the path for you..."
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HeartofFire
Haru
Or should I say, he used to be torn...
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Post by HeartofFire on Aug 1, 2008 17:30:00 GMT -5
I've seen that fanart before, and i love it! Thanks for posting it. Nice to know i'm not the only "enamored shipper" of Ursai! I agree with you about not thinking Ozai is purely evil and unable to love, and it was really nice to hear you mention the possibility of their being something deeper than most fans realize in his relationship with Ursa. I'm willing to suffer persecutution, so to speak, for the sake of my ship, but being thought a lunatic for shipping an evil overlord with his wife does get wearying sometimes. lol Oh, and no problem about bringing back the thread. Speaking of which, I was afraid that Ozai would die in the finale, and thus wipe out the possibility of a ressurrection of the actual ship, but now i think the possibility of redemption and forgiveness is quite feasible. So yeah, that makes this Ursai shiplper happy. ^-^ Anyway, glad you liked the fanart, Femble.
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Kyatto
Kyoshi Azula
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Post by Kyatto on Aug 1, 2008 23:53:22 GMT -5
I think a huge part of Ozai's anger stems from Ursa not being around. If she came back it might help him heal.
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HeartofFire
Haru
Or should I say, he used to be torn...
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Post by HeartofFire on Aug 2, 2008 23:11:41 GMT -5
I definitely agree that Ursa coming back and forgiving him might help him on the path to redemption. Actually, i had an idea for a fanfic about that... If you want, i'll let you know when it's up. But anyway, yeah, since they left it open to interpretation as to what happens after Sozin's Comet (and in some ways i'm glad they did), i've decided my interpretation includes redemption and Ursai. lol
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Kyatto
Kyoshi Azula
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Post by Kyatto on Aug 3, 2008 4:12:26 GMT -5
I definitely agree that Ursa coming back and forgiving him might help him on the path to redemption. Actually, i had an idea for a fanfic about that... If you want, i'll let you know when it's up. But anyway, yeah, since they left it open to interpretation as to what happens after Sozin's Comet (and in some ways i'm glad they did), i've decided my interpretation includes redemption and Ursai. lol What a lot of fandom fails to realize is that Ozai and Zuko and are a lot alike. More so than just looks. They're both passionate about their beliefs.
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HeartofFire
Haru
Or should I say, he used to be torn...
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Post by HeartofFire on Aug 3, 2008 23:59:07 GMT -5
lol Actually, i'm one of the few members of the fandom who had realized that. I think you're right--they are a lot alike in some ways. For example, Iroh called Zuko an idealist. When Ozai was talking about his plans for the EK in SC part 1, he sounded very...if not idealistic, at least visionary, in his ruthless way. They both have strong ideas about how things should be, and work hard to make them that way. Also, i think Ozai may be where Zuko gets his temper from, or at least some of it--he's not as hot-headed as his son (tho he may have been more so when he was younger than he is now), but he doesn't seem as cool and collected as Azula (pre-Crazula) tends to stay, either. And that leads me to suspect that Iroh has had previous experience in dealing with a tempermental younger relative. (If so, however, i don't condemn Ozai for not listening to Iroh's advice quite like Zuko did. It's one thing to follow advice from a loved and respected uncle, but taking it from an envied older brother would probably be a lot harder. Ursa, on the other hand, might be able to get somewhere... And that brings us back to Ursai. ^-^)
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Post by Taintedmushroom on Aug 4, 2008 4:06:13 GMT -5
Honestly, I really wish Ozai showed some feelings for Ursa when they talked about her. I mean come on, she's your wife. D: If he did, I would totally squee over this ship. Though I'm pretty sure he has feelings for her, he did once, it's just we don't know enough huh? Kyatto: I think that may be true for the whole family, but good point and correct! However, the difference is that Zuko realized what was right and was determined to make things better, as we all know. Great thread guys ;D and it's totally canon.
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Post by gigirl942 on Aug 5, 2008 0:25:10 GMT -5
*pops in*
Zomg I thought I was nuts for shipping this! I mean, Ozai is the villan, but I wanna see him get some love too! I <3 Ursai.
By the way, is there a fanfiction.net C2 for this thread? If not, their totally needs to be one.
You all are so right with the "She could have just killed Azulon and been done with it" points. There needs to be some post-war Ursai fics. Like naoplz.
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HeartofFire
Haru
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Post by HeartofFire on Aug 6, 2008 0:29:16 GMT -5
Here's a post-war fic I found. It's really well written , tho i'll warn you--currently it ends on kind of a cliffhanger. Sort of. Anyway, here it is. (And yes, there needs to be a C2 for this ship. Maybe I'll start one...) Despising Pity by WhisperToMeSoftly And here's a really good fic about them Ursa and Ozai when they were young (pre-marriage). It's highly entertaining--i reccomend it strongly. [url=http://www.fanfiction.net/s/4439340/1/Burn_After_Reading[/url]Burn After Reading[/url] by ebonyquill
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Post by gigirl942 on Aug 6, 2008 14:36:12 GMT -5
Here's a post-war fic I found. It's really well written , tho i'll warn you--currently it ends on kind of a cliffhanger. Sort of. Anyway, here it is. (And yes, there needs to be a C2 for this ship. Maybe I'll start one...) Despising Pity by WhisperToMeSoftly And here's a really good fic about them Ursa and Ozai when they were young (pre-marriage). It's highly entertaining--i reccomend it strongly. [url=http://www.fanfiction.net/s/4439340/1/Burn_After_Reading [/url]Burn After Reading[/url] by ebonyquill[/quote] You are my hero. *karma* If you start one, I volunteer to be staff! Off to read those fanfics you reccomended to me....it doesn't matter if the first one ends on a cliffy. It'll make me all the more exited for the next chapters. Thanks so much!
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HeartofFire
Haru
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Post by HeartofFire on Aug 6, 2008 23:24:13 GMT -5
You're welcome! You can definitely be a staff member when i start an Ursai C2! (I've decided it's "when" and not "if", you see, since i didn't find any when i looked on FF.net. ) I'm not sure i'll start one right away, tho--before then, i'd kind of like to put up something involving Ursai on my FF.net page (i've written several poems about them, so i'm planning to post those). But i'll probably do it soon (i hope), and i'll let you know! On the subject of this ship after the war, i'll post a thought my mom had recently (i have such a cool mom--i can talk with her about stuff like shipping and she completely understands ^-^). She said that right now, it seems like Zuko and Ozai are at a point where nothing they say to eachother will do much good, and it's not clear whether the latter would be much more receptive to what Iroh says, but if redemption comes for Ozai, it will probably come from Ursa--she'd likely be the one he'd be able to listen to. So anyway, i thought that was cool, and i agree with my mom about that. It makes me all the more eager for postwar fics about them. lol
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Post by gigirl942 on Aug 7, 2008 0:10:59 GMT -5
Right before I came back on this thread, I searched FF.net's C2s for an Ursai one, but like you, I didn't find one.
And yeah, Ursa seems like the only one who can save Ozai from insanity right now. Other than that, it doesn't really look like there's much hope....
I know. I need more postwar fic, likenaoplz?
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