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Post by mahatista on Sept 25, 2007 12:43:57 GMT -5
@shere: Wow, that's interesting. I didn't notice it. That goes along with the idea that the war is bankrupting the country. I wonder if that will just be background or if it will actually have something to do with the plot going forward. Also, is it perhaps not cared for because nobody uses that area anymore since Ursa and Zuko were gone? Azula doesn't seem the type to want to commune with nature, so maybe it just saw no care because it was seeing no use.
And the pond was where Zuko found Ozai after Ursa left, so maybe it's a place that reminds him of her so it really gets no use.
Just a little free-association theorizing.
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Post by spiritmage234 on Sept 25, 2007 12:50:19 GMT -5
Yep, this is one of the more intriguing couples in the avatarverse. I wonder if Ozai's ambition and honor toward the throne is what drove Ursa away from him. After all, Ozai's punishment for lack of sympathy on his brother's behalf was to kill their only son. (Which I think Ozai would have done due to his honor and loyalty.) However, this brings a new theory. If Ursa killed Azulon to save Zuko's life, that would mean she committed the highest of treason. If Ozai does hold his honor above anything else, would that mean he would kill his own wife for her treachery? That would throw Zuko into a rage if this were true and found out, but then Zuko would have to look himself in the mirror because he holds that same type of ambition for his honor. Zuko abandoned his uncle just to have a chance at regaining it. So this would be an interesting twist in the story but then again it could be just me and my ramblings. But would Zuko put the man who disowned him and scarred him for life above the only other person beside Iroh who loved is is also a part of him? Interesting indeed. If it turns out Ozai really did kill Ursa and Zuko finds out and dun do crap about it, I will officially hate greatly dislike all Zuko fangirls. Plus Zuko himself.
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Post by nandireya on Sept 26, 2007 4:27:42 GMT -5
Actually...I think that'd pretty much be the end of the Zuko fangirls...I'd certainly be gone...and as he's the main reason I watch the show...
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Post by HeartofFire on Feb 18, 2008 0:32:49 GMT -5
Well, luckily, we know from DOBS that Ursa (probably--hopefully!--) isn't dead, so...yay! And we saw just how much Zuko cares about his mother--that was one of the few times he's actually cried in the show, and he did it immediately after finding that out, so...this is the second time I've said "so" and run out of things to say... (well, type...) But back to topic. We must not let this thread die! Come, my fellow Ursaites, we must rally around our ship! (And I don't think DOBS killed all possibility of its one-time canonity, so my point is, we can still ship it! lol) Speaking of which, i've done a few Ursai banners that i wanted to show you guys... Here's the first one. The words are from a song called What Have You Done? by Within Temptation. In case you can't read them, they say (top left) "You have turned into my worst enemy" (lower right) "You carry hate that I don't feel" and (middle) "What have you done?" So here it is... And the words on the next one are from a song called Lacrymosa (kind of borrowed from the piece by Mozart, in case you were wondering) by Evanescence. They say (top left) "Blame it on me" (lower right) "Nothing can hold you back now" and (middle) "My love wasn't enough". So anyway, hope you like it (and the other one, too).
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Post by admirality on Feb 19, 2008 4:54:53 GMT -5
OMG my blood is boiling......... I hate this ship with so much passion..... He doesn't love her he doesn't like her ........ OZAI IS MINE NOW......
*Insane fangirl raging tantrum*
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Post by Kyatto on Feb 19, 2008 19:05:46 GMT -5
Now that we know Ursa has her own "streak" I do like them together.
She's not perfect. And she's also a devil's advocate.
He must love her to some extent. They did have two children. One heir is enough.
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Post by waterfire (I am back!!!) on Feb 19, 2008 19:46:06 GMT -5
I can't wait to see s flashback of Ozai and Ursa
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Post by admirality on Feb 20, 2008 5:14:26 GMT -5
^ Ideally a flash back of him saying "ou Ursa I hate u and wish I never married u, Admirality is way better than u" or a flash back of them fighting ...... muhahahahhaha
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Post by Azula's Flames on Feb 20, 2008 10:18:54 GMT -5
if they do show flash backs i would like to see several starting when they were all a happy family (with baby Azula!) and is shows over time how the families relationship went down hill.
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Post by admirality on Feb 20, 2008 10:21:13 GMT -5
^ I don't think they were ever a happy family... The creaters said it was an arranged marriage so I think there's always been bitterness between them... Mybe the relationship was ok when they had the kids I imagine Ozai wanted to please Azulon by trying to make it work but I think he's always resented the marriage In fact Iroh said he'd never known Ozai to regeret anything well pherhaps Ozai regretted the marriage... and Iroh just didn't say that in front of zuko... hmmmm PS ozai is still mine
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Post by Azula's Flames on Feb 20, 2008 10:27:10 GMT -5
They may not have been a epic romance and yes they were arranged but i dont think that means they werent happy. They probably respected one another and lived happily with each other but were never in love. Many, many marriages are like this. From the beach we know that they were happy once untill Ozai got power hungry and it tore the family apart.
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Post by admirality on Feb 20, 2008 10:37:44 GMT -5
^ Ozai was smiling in the picture but I bet $1000 he was misrible inside..... I bet everytime he saw that EVIL woman he died a little inside until finally she left and he was FREE (to marry me and be happy) Btw I do see ur point they probli did respect each other but not love each other or like each othe I can imagine they were civil ...........
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Post by Ana on Feb 20, 2008 10:40:56 GMT -5
^ Ideally a flash back of him saying "ou Ursa I hate u and wish I never married u, Admirality is way better than u" or a flash back of them fighting ...... muhahahahhaha This topic is about Ursa/Ozai and not about your fangirling of Ozai. Add something constructive to the former or don't post at all. At any rate, Bryan did say: "Also, there was a time when it probably wasn't such a bad marriage. I think they probably started okay. Certainly better than it ended up." So, I imagine it started with cute stuff like this and got worse and worse as Ozai got crazier for power.
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Post by admirality on Feb 20, 2008 10:53:39 GMT -5
^ sorry I know I'm mntal.... OMG OZAI WITHOUT A BEARD
I still don't think they wer ever truely happy........ I think the marriage was more of a political statement mybe Ozai saw the advatages of it at first and pherhaps was quite all right with it ..... We know OZAI is ambitious and politcally strageic we saw this is Zuko alone so I imagine he wud've agreed to marry her for his own political gain.... Then latr realised he didn't like hr personality or whateva and they had a personality clash
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Post by Azula's Flames on Feb 20, 2008 11:06:04 GMT -5
Well he didnt get to choose his parents probably did. Iroh's wife would probably be of higher stature because Iroh was next in line to the throne. I wonder how much this would annoy Ozai back when he was apparently happy.
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