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Post by bacwas on Apr 6, 2009 18:34:26 GMT -5
Personally I love Zuko and Sokka.
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Post by Fire Lord Azula on Apr 10, 2009 21:06:36 GMT -5
You wouldn't happen to be the Azula rper from LJ, would you? If you are, then I am the AU!Azula rper. Funny seeing you here. I'm not stalking you yet I swear I basically lurk these days, but I did notice that you joined -- and I knew right from the start who you were. I do so happen to be the Azula RPer from LJ. I've actually been here for over two years. It's funny how that works, though! Oh, so you're not stalking me yet, 'eh?And most of my favorite crackships can't be discussed on this forum either. Bummer. :/ The rules do forbid some of the crackiest 'ships...
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Saami
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Post by Saami on Apr 10, 2009 22:48:02 GMT -5
Okay so maybe I am outside your window /creepy
I was bummed not to find a thread for my most favorite Azula ship . I hope I'm not the only one here who ships it. But I am happy Zue's got a following.
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burningmoon65
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Post by burningmoon65 on Apr 11, 2009 2:10:10 GMT -5
I support a lot of Crack Ships, but I can't discuss some of them on here.... Since my Fav. Crack Ship is an Incest Ship and it's against the rules to discuss Incest Pairings, I'm just going to pick one of my other Fav. Crack Ships.... Zue ( + )!!!! They are a PRINCE and a PRINCESS, right? So why can't they be together?
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Post by nandireya on Apr 11, 2009 6:19:55 GMT -5
Wait...Zue's a crack ship? But it's so cute!
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burningmoon65
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Post by burningmoon65 on Apr 11, 2009 16:31:13 GMT -5
Wait...Zue's a crack ship? But it's so cute! Sadly, I think it is a CrackShip. Zue never came close to happening in the Series, and there was never any hinting of it.... Yes, Zue is a Cute Pairing!!!!
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Post by thequaintquill on Apr 18, 2009 2:18:12 GMT -5
...Hi...
Anyway, I just wanted to bring up the topic of Foamy/Cabbage Merchant. Come on, they seem perfect!
Of course my serious ship that isn't fanon or canon at all would be TeoJin. For some reason I think they look good together.
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burningmoon65
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Post by burningmoon65 on Apr 18, 2009 8:17:38 GMT -5
...Hi... Anyway, I just wanted to bring up the topic of Foamy/Cabbage Merchant. Come on, they seem perfect! Of course my serious ship that isn't fanon or canon at all would be TeoJin. For some reason I think they look good together. Foamy Mouth Guy and the Cabbage Man should be Canon! They look so good together! Yes, oddly Teo and Jin do look good together.... Oh! And another Crack Ship that I like that I just got reminded of is.... The Helmsman and Lt. Jee! Come on, it could have happened! I mean, they were stuck on a Ship for 2 years without any Females around....
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Post by zuzu3000 on May 7, 2009 5:10:26 GMT -5
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Post by Ilah on May 12, 2009 21:09:07 GMT -5
Fanon ships - Sokkla, Ty Zula, Zutara, etc. They have too much support, and have enough suggestiveness in canon to make the ship a possible one. So they're not crack xD I would contest Sokkla as a fanon 'ship. I think it belongs in the crack category. Unlike Zutara and Tyzula, their interactions have been nothing but negative, confrontational, and antagonistic. The tension between them was clearly unromantic; I'm not seeing the canon suggestiveness you speak of. On the other hand, Tyzula is most definitely fanon. A strong case can be made for pairing these two together; their personalities, although virtually opposite, complement each other very well; and Azula actually seems to like the girl, which arguably makes this Azula-'ship more likely than any other. There's nothing at all wrong with liking crackships -- my favorite pairing is complete and utter crack. I can't even discuss it on this forum. I really believe you are a bit biased against Sokka/Azula :s It's OK, but respecting other ships is the key to the rest of the people respecting yours. I happen believe Azula and Ty Lee's interaction is negative too. And I am not only referring to the epic backstab Ty Lee (and Mai) gave her. That is not very romantic either, is it? Tyzula may be better for you, as Sokka/Azula is for me, but speaking in general terms, no ship is better than the other, as you mean to say with that whole "Tyzula is fanon and Sokkla does not deserve that title, it must remain crack". It sounded really pejorative. Come on, can't we all play nice here? =__=
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Post by Saami on May 13, 2009 17:58:33 GMT -5
I don't really get the difference between a crack and fanon ship? I mean when I classify ships, it's either canon or fanon, no matter how cracky it is. If it didn't happen in canon, it's crack by default. At least to me it is. :/.
ANYWAY, the point of my post is, I think she was trying to say that not everybody can work with Azula. Azula seemed to tolerate Ty Lee whereas, she just enjoyed antagonizing Sokka. She'd be more inclined to set him on fire than she would to date him. He's not even Fire Nation, so I doubt she'd want to pursue a relationship with him since The Fire Nation's the best thing since sliced bread.
I'm not trying to argue against your ship or whatever. You can ship it to the moon and back lol. It doesn't bother me. I mean look at my avatar. I know all about loving some crazy ships <3. I was just maybe trying to help clarify what Fire Lord Azula was saying.
And Fire Lord Azula, if I am putting words in your mouth, please tell me to STFU. >.>
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Post by Ilah on May 13, 2009 18:41:56 GMT -5
I was not comparing one ship to another, nor saying "OMG Azula would work better with Sokka!! AJfjgdikgjajrf!!!!" because it's pointless arguing about that.
I know Azula tolerated Ty Lee, she believed she was her friend after all. And yes, I do know that Azula liked to antagonize with Sokka and that she hates him and all the stuff. I hate ship wars with a passion, and the only thing I ask in return is some respect for the things I like. If I respect other people's ships, I want them to respect mine in return, not making them look like a lesser ship than her precious Tyzula. I think wanting people to respect each other is fair.
And I'm just clarifying that in my eyes, the way Fire Lord Azula words things she is implying that her ship is superior to my ship. And I don't appreciate that. I don't waltz around the forums proclaiming my ship is the only worthy ship. When you start implying that your ship is better than someone else's you end up starting a ship war.
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Saami
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Post by Saami on May 13, 2009 19:14:22 GMT -5
I'm not a fan of ship wars either. But I don't think it was turning into one? Debate maybe. But I don't think anybody was being intentionally disrespectful. Unless I'm misinterpreting something. And that is very possible!
Edit: fixed for sentence fail
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Post by Fire Lord Azula on May 15, 2009 19:45:20 GMT -5
I really believe you are a bit biased against Sokka/Azula :s Azula-het holds no appeal to me, just as you hold no love for Tyzula and other Azula-slash 'ships. It's OK, but respecting other ships is the key to the rest of the people respecting yours. Unless I'm missing something, I don't believe pointing out a 'ship's crackiness is being disrespectful. It's unfortunate that my words are coming across as abrasive to you; that was never my intention. I wasn't looking to start anything with you. All I said was that Sokkla was crack. My favorite 'ships are largely crack, too. It doesn't make any of them "wrong" or "bad", just unsupported by canon. There was no negativity suggested by the word "crack". I happen believe Azula and Ty Lee's interaction is negative too. And I am not only referring to the epic backstab Ty Lee (and Mai) gave her. That is not very romantic either, is it? Oh, many of Azula's actions toward Ty Lee were unhealthy. I would never dispute that. What I am saying is that one could make a case for Azula caring about Ty Lee in her own way; therefore, if any 'ship with her were to be fanon, that would probably be the one. Tyzula may be better for you, as Sokka/Azula is for me, but speaking in general terms, no ship is better than the other, as you mean to say with that whole "Tyzula is fanon and Sokkla does not deserve that title, it must remain crack". It sounded really pejorative. Not once did I say "fanon > crack". Why do you assume that? Again, canon and fanon are no better than crack -- I never said they were. I was merely making a distinction. I'm sorry if you think my words held a pejorative infliction, but I was certain I clarified that such wasn't my intent when I mentioned that my own favorite pairing ( and it's not Tyzula ) is crack. ANYWAY, the point of my post is, I think she was trying to say that not everybody can work with Azula. Azula seemed to tolerate Ty Lee whereas, she just enjoyed antagonizing Sokka. She'd be more inclined to set him on fire than she would to date him. He's not even Fire Nation, so I doubt she'd want to pursue a relationship with him since The Fire Nation's the best thing since sliced bread. That nicely sums up what I was trying to say. I was just maybe trying to help clarify what Fire Lord Azula was saying. Thank you for that. And Fire Lord Azula, if I am putting words in your mouth, please tell me to STFU. >.> I actually think your words were better-phrased than my own. I know Azula tolerated Ty Lee, she believed she was her friend after all. And yes, I do know that Azula liked to antagonize with Sokka and that she hates him and all the stuff. In the scope of the show, that would point to Tyzula being fanon and Sokkla crack. That's all I was saying. Zutara could also be shone in a fanon light, and I don't particularly care for that pairing. I hate ship wars with a passion, and the only thing I ask in return is some respect for the things I like. If I respect other people's ships, I want them to respect mine in return, I wasn't disrespecting Sokkla by calling it crack. Many of the most engaging fanworks in this fandom are crack in nature. Crack is wonderful because it requires an active imagination. Because you must convince the audience of your pairing, you need to work that much harder -- it's an exercise in creativity. not making them look like a lesser ship than her precious Tyzula. Tyzula isn't my favorite 'ship, and even if it was, you would be welcome to say whatever you like about it. We all have opinions, and if you detest Azula-slash, it's your right to express yourself, just as it's my right to dislike whatever I choose and express myself. And I'm just clarifying that in my eyes, the way Fire Lord Azula words things she is implying that her ship is superior to my ship. And I don't appreciate that. I don't waltz around the forums proclaiming my ship is the only worthy ship. When you start implying that your ship is better than someone else's you end up starting a ship war. I don't recall ever doing that. What I simply did was open a discussion about terminology. Because Azula and Ty Lee's interactions throughout the series could be viewed as having a certain degree of subtext, a strong case could be made to classify it as fanon. Did I ever proclaim "crack = bad"? Not at all. I questioned why Sokkla was deemed fanon when no evidence in the show supports it. Would we even be having this discussion if I had chosen another pairing to highlight? I used what was listed in scrappster's post. I asked her where she thought the subtext was for Sokkla, since I disagree and feel there is none. For that matter, the other Fire/Water pairing, Azutara, has no relative subtext, either: it would be considered crack. Even though I like the pairing, I would never go around claiming it's fanon, because I know it isn't. I have friends who like Sokkla and even Zucest. Some of my favorite pairings aren't exactly favorites of theirs. How do we handle such drastically different views? We don't discuss it. Instead, we turn to pairings we both like and discuss those. Why look for something to argue about? We focus on common interests, instead.
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Post by Ilah on May 16, 2009 2:17:51 GMT -5
I am sorry then, I did not know you were trying to be nice about it and the whole fanon/crack thing. Seeing how much you hate and despise the pairing, I was biased and thought you were being negative towards it. And well, no one likes to come across people saying "Kill it with fire!!" when referring to their ships, I guess.
Well, subtext is very relative. One can see Azula's friendship towards Ty Lee as something more, and others can see it as a simple friendship. Subtext does not make points for a pairing, as it is only related to what the viewer wants to see.
For example, while you see no subtext for the Sokka/Azula pairing, I can see tons of it. I can start it with the Oma/Shu issue, while stopping at DoBS and ending it with Sokka's last picture in Iroh's tea shop. You may believe it's stupid, but then again, lots of subtext issues for pairings have shades of gray and different interpretations. As I said before, it all depends on the viewer's googles. You see it with slash googles, I see it with het ones. One could also argue that prior to the season 2 finale, there was no positive Zutara interactions either but Zutara has always been referred to as a fanon ship.
But seeing that I misunderstood your words about the issue, my apologies.
Tyzula isn't my favorite 'ship, and even if it was, you would be welcome to say whatever you like about it. We all have opinions, and if you detest Azula-slash, it's your right to express yourself, just as it's my right to dislike whatever I choose and express myself.
Well, trust me, I wont voice to any fan of that pairing, or any other for that case, my opinions about it. I prefer to keep my mouth shout on what I think about it, because I respect that people might like it and feel attacked by my words or thoughts. Because like you might have been all "wtf is this surd talking about" when you read my post, I am tired of slash fans jumping at my throat for daring to say that Azula likes peen. Not everybody is willing to listen to what I might think about the matter. I never pretended to impose my pairing to anyone. To each their own.
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