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Post by Fire Lord Azula on Jun 3, 2008 17:11:13 GMT -5
AvatarSpirit.Net allows the free discussion of incestuous and pedophilic pairings, but not DH. Both have been tried on this forum and have never seen any measure of success because of that rule.
In a sense, I agree with you -- though not about Zucest. It's what brings a sort of "justification" to Azula and Ursa: their relationship is in no way, shape, or form a healthy mother-daughter bond, and it can be easily twisted ( on Azula's end ) into something very different. The royal basis of "keeping it in the family" also applies to these two. As I don't like Azula with male characters, I can in no way personally agree with Zucest, though I respect the dedication you put into your 'ship and can see your stance on this issue.
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Post by Blind Bandit on Jun 3, 2008 20:48:00 GMT -5
Well, here's what the RB rules say... I highly doubt most people, particularly on this forum, 'ship incest for the sake of incest -- I know I certainly don't. IIRC, someone did try to start up an incestuous thread or discussion of some sort last year, and it was quickly shut down. FLA is right we don't allow discussion of incest, (I keep wanting to say GOZ.ROFL ) As of right now their is no plans to change that rule. I don't personally have a problem with the discussions it but that doesn't mean others don't. That's a somewhat rude rule Incest is hardly topping my squick list. I mean, noncon is wrong, but you see heaps of it dominating fandom. Similarly, Kataang creeps me out a lot more than Zucest ever will. I'm not knocking anyone's ship or even trying to start a debate, (it's simply my opinion) but Katara is such a mother figure to Aang that it makes me uncomfortable. On the other hand, with Zucest - Azula is hardly sisterly to Zuko. Not to mention... they're royalty XD. Historically, royalty is pretty big on "keepin' it in teh family". Similarly, just about any pairing in Avatar is bordering on the (if not already) legally pedophillic. OK just want to say lets not get into the motherly discussion about Kataang that argument is not vaild at least not after the happenings of season three. And the rule is meant to keep the board in the PG-13 limit. I personally don't have a problem with more extreme ends of shipping but we also need to remember the members of this board vary in age and we like to keep things all ages. Further and this is a big one we don't have a custom TOS agreement we must abide by pro boards TOS and that can be pretty restricting. And technicailly if two people are underage (kataang, zutura, taang, tokka and so on) that is not illegal as neither are over 18. AvatarSpirit.Net allows the free discussion of incestuous and pedophilic pairings, but not DH. Both have been tried on this forum and have never seen any measure of success because of that rule. In a sense, I agree with you -- though not about Zucest. It's what brings a sort of "justification" to Azula and Ursa: their relationship is in no way, shape, or form a healthy mother-daughter bond, and it can be easily twisted ( on Azula's end ) into something very different. The royal basis of "keeping it in the family" also applies to these two. As I don't like Azula with male characters, I can in no way personally agree with Zucest, though I respect the dedication you put into your 'ship and can see your stance on this issue. Hmmm as fair as I know ASN dosen't allow such extreme shipping dicussion. *karma* for making me laugh there. But I do agree with you. I love Zucest and would like to talk about it, but we can't. It isn't incest for the sake of incest like FLA said, I just like the pairing and their twisted history together. I think thats why most people ship it. Because it exploits the craziness of their bond. If anyone has a real problem with that rule, and doesn't find my explanation satisfactory you can speak to an admin. But I'm certain the rule will stay in place. Out of curosity dose anyone have a good defintaiton for what defines crack ship? I know I ship several but its diffcult to determine where the line is drawn.
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Post by pennyxdreadful on Jun 3, 2008 23:14:29 GMT -5
Wait... what? I'm not sure I understand any of that. Do you mean "not valid"? I think they sort of hit us over the head with motherly!Katara the entire series. In "The Runaway", they even made a point to give it a big, fat underline. Actually, where I live, 17 is the legal age - but, I'm not entirely sure you're disagreeing with me at all here... This is the only forum I've been to with such a rule. I've never written any Zucest material over PG-13. I'm not sure that's why the rule is in place. I mean, I seem to remember watching "Flowers in the Attic" as a kid, and it was rated PG-13. Similarly, the book was even in my middle/high school library. For those of you who haven't stumbled across that awesomely over-dramatic bit of the 80's... there were some pretty incest'y themes throughout. For the record, I have shutting up issues. If someone replies to what I say, I seldom have the capacity not to respond.
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Post by Maylene on Jun 3, 2008 23:20:13 GMT -5
That's a good question Blind Bandit. I ship several crackships as well including Zucest (for reasons FLA stated and more) however I never thought Sokkla was a crackship until I read otherwise. So I looked it up on Google and found this on Starwars.wikia.com.
A term suggesting that authors or 'shippers supporting a particular pairing must be psychologically 'cracked', or perhaps doing drugs such as 'crack' cocaine; also sometimes used with overtones of the Scots/Irish term Craic/Crack.
So it all depends on opinions/tolerance of what most think are crack pairings, I think. I'm guessing it's pairings that make people (most anyway) ask, "Where did you get that idea to ship those two?"
I mean for Kataang we have the series; for Zutara we have The Waterbending Scroll and CoD; for Taang we have TBB, Bitter Work, The Swamp (if ppl believe in the theory), and some say 306. But for things like Haru/Azula; Katara/Koh; and etc. most people go: "What makes you think that's gonna work?" Or "They've never even met" or "their personalities would clash way too much."
^^; I don't know....but I hoped that helped even a tiny bit.
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Post by Blind Bandit on Jun 4, 2008 8:33:06 GMT -5
Yes I meant valid, sorry about that. And I would argue from the same episode that Katara mothers everyone not just Aang. And lets not forget the headband. You don't dance with your mother like that. but this isn't thread to discuss this over. No I was pointing out that two minors (under age) is not illegal. As you said many relationships in avatar were to some degree. To my knowledge I don't know if thats true or not. But I do know that incest is usually considered inappropriate with regards to talking about it. And DH is its own environment. Our rules will differer from others just like our members will differ from other forums. As I've said incest to a degree is not a normal subject of discussion. And I'm not sure how many would comfortable with it. Its no problem your being respectful so I see no problem with it. I'm trying to point out where the staff is coming from here. That's a good question Blind Bandit. I ship several crack ships as well including Zucest (for reasons FLA stated and more) however I never thought Sokkla was a crack ship until I read otherwise. So I looked it up on Google and found this on Starwars.wikia.com. A term suggesting that authors or 'shippers supporting a particular pairing must be psychologically 'cracked', or perhaps doing drugs such as 'crack' cocaine; also sometimes used with overtones of the Scots/Irish term Craic/Crack.
So it all depends on opinions/tolerance of what most think are crack pairings, I think. I'm guessing it's pairings that make people (most anyway) ask, "Where did you get that idea to ship those two?" I mean for Kataang we have the series; for Zutara we have The Waterbending Scroll and CoD; for Taang we have TBB, Bitter Work, The Swamp (if ppl believe in the theory), and some say 306. But for things like Haru/Azula; Katara/Koh; and etc. most people go: "What makes you think that's gonna work?" Or "They've never even met" or "their personalities would clash way too much." ^^; I don't know....but I hoped that helped even a tiny bit. Thanks for that clarification Maylene *karma*. So it seems like i was thinking along the right lines. Its up to personal opinion and the way you look at the show. Has anyone else noticed that many people take offense to a ship being called "crack?" Over say the term "fanon." And just for the record, I ship the fallowing crack ships, Azuki, Azutura,Iroh X Ursa, ty lee X Azula, and several others I can't think of at the moment.
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Post by Fire Lord Azula on Jun 4, 2008 14:13:20 GMT -5
Hmmm as fair as I know ASN dosen't allow such extreme shipping dicussion. I know of several avid Zucest-'shippers on ASN that constantly crack jokes about their pairing, with no repercussions from the mods. As a whole, the 'shipping-crowd on that forum isn't shy about what they like. I've also seen pedophilic pairings tossed around for laughs. The things you find out as a lurker.
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Post by nymphadora on Jun 4, 2008 15:43:53 GMT -5
In the Avatar fandom, I think crack is any slash pairing, any characters that have no chance at meeting, and (usually) anyone with a character like Azula. Like BB, you said Iroh/Ursa - I take that to be fanon. We don't know anything about their pasts except that they are kind of similar and probably interacted a lot. I wouldn't call Urkoda crack either because they could possibly meet through the gAang and Ursa and Ozai is basically over. IMO most ships are fanon if the characters have ever interacted, but I've seen a lot of ships in this thread that I thought were fanon called crack, so I'm not sure sometimes.
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Post by Zink on Jun 4, 2008 16:09:03 GMT -5
(warning: the links contain content that you may consider offensive, especially the second one.) Well, in feudal Japan, same-sex pairings were actually encouraged among samurai. Loving a women was considered feminizing, whereas loving one's mentor was supposed to teach virtue to the acylote. It's called shudo. To them, Aang/Gyasto would be a lot more healthy for Aang than Kataang. In fact, homosexual relationships have a long history in Japan. So slash pairings aren't necessarily crack pairings, as far as historical accuracy is concerned in Avatar. I'd say a crack pairing is anything created specifically for laughs and has zero possiblity of happening. Ozai/Tree is a good one. Ursa/Iroh could actually work out, so I wouldn't call it a crack pairing. For the record, I am mortally offended that Kohzula didn't make the list. KOHZULA FOREVER
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Post by nymphadora on Jun 4, 2008 16:30:09 GMT -5
I'd usually say that slash isn't crack, but this show is rated Y7, so I doubt there'd be same-sex pairings, but I understand where you're coming from Zink.
Ozai/Tree xD I guess I wasn't around for that. Are there any threads around with some of that in them?
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Post by Zink on Jun 5, 2008 5:51:19 GMT -5
^ I wish... I don't think there have been any lately. (And the person with the good Ozai/Tree sig was Catalyst, I think, but it could have been someone else.)
Oh, yeah, it's not going to happen on Avatar, I agree with you there. But a good percentage of slash pairings on Avatar could be valid relationships if they actually happened, so I wouldn't say all Avatar slash is automatically a crack pairing.
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Post by Zenjamin on Jun 5, 2008 6:33:48 GMT -5
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Post by username on Jun 6, 2008 15:46:37 GMT -5
Coppa trashed it for a reason. Him resigning doesn't negate his reasons.
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Post by Tera253 on Jun 6, 2008 20:20:57 GMT -5
crack ships don't have to be logical by any means... and where I came from (referencing another site) they sure as heck are not. neither are thye limited to two people. the most famous ship (more like convoy) on that site is one called Zukiterustophanakyopumirozukophinthrokojzhazulaangyatsokatarucemaileanaya...
if you are sane, DO NOT ask about that. ~Zuko~
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Post by nymphadora on Jun 6, 2008 20:26:49 GMT -5
Can you post all the names in the ship or do I have to try and figure it out? DX
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Post by Tera253 on Jun 6, 2008 20:29:48 GMT -5
good luck... well actually, a lot of them are fanfic characters and members of the site where it came from, but if you really want to, I could post them. *gulps* ~Zuko~
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