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Post by pg15 on Nov 2, 2007 23:07:13 GMT -5
Just out of curiosity... what makes you say that seasons one and two had loose, meandering first halves? I thought season one was especially well paced. In fact, the first three eps of season one were really action packed, and then just a few episodes later you have Roku introducing the comet plot that has carried through all three seasons. It had a lot of action with a good mix of small, well-needed diversions from the plot. I didn't mean those in a bad way. Sure they were action packed, but until "The Spirit World", the gaang had a very loose goal: get to the North Pole. For a majority of Season 1, most of the stories were standalones and one-offs, if you know what I mean. In fact, you could even call them fillers. Like I said, if people only want the invasion, learning firebending, and taking down Ozai for season 3, then I can say that I only wanted to see the Northern Water Tribe in seaon 1, and that it sucked that it took them 17 episodes to get there (I don't feel that way, of course). My point is, people have to be openminded with what's in a season. Not liking an episode because of you thought it lacked in quality is fine, but not liking it just because it doesn't fit into your restricted definition of this season's plots just makes no sense.
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Post by sukichan on Nov 4, 2007 21:35:32 GMT -5
I think you do have a point, but there also has to come a time when they do move on toward their goal for the season. We're almost halfway to the season, now, and not only has there been very little movement toward that goal (understandable), but there's been very little mention of that goal at all. Returning to the season one example, even if they WERE a little slow in getting to the North Pole, the fact that they did need to get there was always very present. It was mentioned at least once every two episodes or so. Here, not only are they pretty much stuck until the day of Black Sun because they need to keep Aang a secret, but they seem to have forgotten about the day of Black Sun completely. The writers seem to have forgetten where they were heading during the course of the first two seasons. I know you need to take a break from the story every so often, but there comes a point when you have to remember that there's a story still needs telling. In my opinion, this season is getting dangerously close to passing that point.
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Post by fuego on Nov 5, 2007 15:24:02 GMT -5
Look this is an nation that so feared and yet little information is known about them...you saw in "The Library" about all the information over and about the fire nation was destroy...So were stuck in the discovery mode about this nation. We still get the main plot which is trying to head there point...most likely the capital for the attack. So from that point is still all about the journey and not the destination. Of coruse it could be easily unnoticed but again there is a main plot...which just the gang ahead to there postion for the attack.
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Post by bandanamama on Nov 9, 2007 18:49:12 GMT -5
I admit, Avatar does seem to be going way to filler-y. I have noticed, that the only plot in season three so far is Zuko's. yeah, let's not forget that Zuko and Iroh are going to be important without a doubt. I think the episodes that are being considered 'filler' are only 'filler' on the GAang side.
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Post by Avatar Kuruk on Nov 11, 2007 20:46:20 GMT -5
Well no there not exactly fillers, i mean we found out that Sokka is now apart of the white loutest. Season 1 and 2 did this kind of stuff too. Not mention Katara is even stronger now in her waterbedning.
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Post by waterwhip619 on Jan 5, 2008 16:43:04 GMT -5
I think the second half of the season is kinda filler episodes too. I mean The Western Air Temple moved the story along. But 3.13 kinda was just a filler to me. I mean i'm sure it'll get better but I just hope the second half is just like the first.
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Post by wiiboy on Jan 5, 2008 21:24:48 GMT -5
Book 3 was nothing but fillers most of the time. I am disappointed, they could have made the fillers more filled as they did in Book 1.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2008 21:40:08 GMT -5
I think the second half of the season is kinda filler episodes too. I mean The Western Air Temple moved the story along. But 3.13 kinda was just a filler to me. I mean i'm sure it'll get better but I just hope the second half is just like the first. How was 3.13 a filler and I'll stop at that. Since I don't think were allowed to discuss spoilers.
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Post by nexus on Jan 15, 2008 12:31:49 GMT -5
3.13 has aired everywhere now I believe, so I think we're free to discuss it
anyway, we have too constricted a view of what fillers are. Technically, almost every episode in Book 1 (except Boy in the Iceberg, Avatar Returns, Winter Solstice I & II, Waterbending Master, Siege of the North I & II) is a filler. But that doesn't mean they're useles
Personally, I think 302, 303 and 307 were the biggest loads of filling crap ever. Hated them. 309 was the biggest filler in the entire series except for Tales of Ba Sing Se, but it was still really funny. However, 301, 304, 305, 306 and 308 had a lot of merit. I think 305 was amazing
and 313 wasn't a filler. it's a really side-tracked episode. I didn't like it, but it's just meant to show that firebending isn't evil or destructive like Jeong Jeong claimed.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2008 22:23:34 GMT -5
I think an episode should only count as filler if it does nothing for the series. Such as the Great Divide it did nothing. But 309 showed how Aang was scared to face the fire lord and how Zuko was realizing he wasn't were he needed to be.
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Post by fuego on Jan 16, 2008 12:31:35 GMT -5
The problem with that is people don't know how to define an episode to be a fillier
there were alot of of heated debates about the episodes...mostly arose on season three. Each questioned if either the episode added to the main plot or was it just character development. Most people think with emotion and so you did have answers that were coming from the heart, which is good but those were emotional answers...So you end up with anger if not in all of the nine episode.
I do believe that people were were thinking how the episode of each were going to begin and what they want to see, heck people were anger here that aang didn't learn firebending in the early half of season three. So anything that wasn't part of the plan for season three like learn firebending and defeat the fire lord, were label filler.
So...be happy
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Post by nexus on Jan 17, 2008 16:54:30 GMT -5
The problem with that is people don't know how to define an episode to be a fillier there were alot of of heated debates about the episodes...mostly arose on season three. Each questioned if either the episode added to the main plot or was it just character development. Most people think with emotion and so you did have answers that were coming from the heart, which is good but those were emotional answers...So you end up with anger if not in all of the nine episode. I do believe that people were were thinking how the episode of each were going to begin and what they want to see, heck people were anger here that aang didn't learn firebending in the early half of season three. So anything that wasn't part of the plan for season three like learn firebending and defeat the fire lord, were label filler. So...be happy i have nothing against fillers. They keep the plot steady. If every episode had a definite additon to the plot, the writers would find it hard to just keep the plot going. And I don't have anythign really against fillers. I have something against fillers if they are not only fillers, but they are bad. 309 is a MAJOR filler, but it is very enjoyable. Avatar Day on the other hand, was a god awful filler (who really cares about Avatar Kyoshi's history?) and really crap
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2008 21:27:15 GMT -5
I don't consider Avatar Day a filler because of the Avatar Kyoshi history. I think the majority of Avatar episodes can not be considered filler because they have some how added to the story or characters.
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Post by nexus on Jan 18, 2008 12:36:05 GMT -5
I don't consider Avatar Day a filler because of the Avatar Kyoshi history. I think the majority of Avatar episodes can not be considered filler because they have some how added to the story or characters. yeah, i suppose. But Avatar Kyoshi's history has never really interested me, so I'm probably biased. I enjoyed "The Avatar and the Firelord" because it not only covered Sozin and Roku's history, but directly changed the present. Avatar Kyoshi's past just seems kinda uneventful. I mean, an Avatar killing a barbaric conqueror (a la Genghis Khan) is justified Anyway, here's my definition of a filler: -They get no closer to achieving their goal -There is no or an extremely little amount of character growth -There aren't any particular revelations -The episode is so irrelevant it doesn't affect future episodes The perfect episode would be The Great Divide. They get no closer to the North Pole, as flying would obviously have taken far less time. Aang's character growth is meaningless and pointless. No revelations of course. And the Great Divide does not affect future episodes at all.
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Post by sarcasmgirl on Jan 18, 2008 17:30:02 GMT -5
I'd say that lots of episodes arent so much fillers as informational. I've heard people say that the Beach was a filler, but I think it gives some useful and important information about Mai, Ty Lee, Zuko and Azula.
There are countless examples where the gAang kind of go off on irrelevant tangents, but the things they learn are important. for example, in Avatar Day, even though the gAang traveled for a whole season to get from Kyoshi Island to that town, they magically fly there in one day to do what they need. also in The Avatar and The Firelord, the group magically flies through the Fire Nation to get to this island with no problems. In my opinion, when stuff like that happens, you can tell that it's going to be more of an informational episode, and not so much of an action-y one.
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