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Post by wildimagination on Feb 20, 2008 13:44:26 GMT -5
Ok, so it's kind of obvious that Ursa and Ozai are still married. Well, I was thinking...Ursa is the Fire Lady (even though she was banished). So I was thinking, the next Fire Lord after Ozai would be URSA.
Think about it. She's the Fire Lady, so even if she wasn't banished, she would've taken over if something happened to Ozai.
What do you guys think?
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Post by Azula's Flames on Feb 20, 2008 14:34:53 GMT -5
Ursa wouldnt take power no way. Zuko was the next in the line of succession though Ozai would prefer Azula. Ursa was only married to Ozai and that would mean she had no power what so ever shes basically just there to look pretty and produce heirs. And anyway Ursa was never around when Ozai was Fire Lord. She was banished/left the same night Azulon was presumably killed.
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Post by wildimagination on Feb 20, 2008 16:55:08 GMT -5
How do we know Fire Lords get married just to have kids? We really don't know that if a Fire Lord dies, his wife doesn't take over if she's still alive.
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Post by Azula's Flames on Feb 20, 2008 17:27:19 GMT -5
well i would be willing to bet it is like that. If the fire lord died when the children were very young then his wife may oversee the country for several years untill they are old enough to rule by themselves. This is not the case with the currant royal family.
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Post by firefly101 on Feb 20, 2008 23:53:44 GMT -5
In cases like the fire nation, just like an empire, the first born would usually rule if the emperor dies, even though they are too young or underaged. ^^ that's how it is.
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Post by Sheogorath on Feb 21, 2008 2:13:45 GMT -5
In cases like the fire nation, just like an empire, the first born would usually rule if the emperor dies, even though they are too young or underaged. ^^ that's how it is. Not necessarily. Remember the Earth King. He was only four when his turn came up, so guys like Long Feng ruled Ba Sing Se til he was old enough. ... Come to think of it, I think it was Long Feng who ruled Ba Sing Se til the Earth King was old enough, molding him into his puppet the entire time. Anyway... That's the same thing. If their ages were reversed in a major way, Zuko were incredibly young, too young to be of any use, and Azula still a baby, and something happened to Ozai, Ursa probably would have taken over, or some noble chosen to stand in for the Fire Lord in such an event. Said new ruler would have reigned over the Fire Nation until Zuko was old enough. That said, being that Zuko is technically old enough to take over the Fire Nation should something happen to Ozai, even if Ursa were still alive, should something happen to Ozai, it would most likely be Zuko who took over. However, there is one MAJOR monkey wrench in that plan. Iroh. He is Ozai's older brother, and I speculate that Ozai killed Azulon, then lied about the old man's dying wishes. Being that Iroh is still alive, there's a very real possibility that because of their now-tumultuous relationship, there would be a power struggle of sorts over the throne. Remember, Zuko never got a chance to apologize, and as a result, it's likely that Iroh, though a caring old man, would probably still be feeling very hurt by Zuko's words early in the season. Also remember that even though he said he was going to beg Iroh's forgiveness, Zuko presumably never gave so much as a passing attempt to try to find his uncle and took straight off after Aang.
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Post by admirality on Feb 21, 2008 5:39:14 GMT -5
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
I still think the Firelord shud and will be a man not woman..... And I don't think Ursa would want that anyway.. She has always been depicted as gentle etc and ok she would probly bring peace to the FN but I think that's more Zuko's job/ destiny (even though I throughly disagree with it grrrrr) ...
I think Ursa will more likely be like an advisor to Zuko rather than a ruler herself....
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Post by Sheogorath on Feb 21, 2008 5:58:18 GMT -5
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO I still think the Firelord shud and will be a man not woman..... And I don't think Ursa would want that anyway.. She has always been depicted as gentle etc and ok she would probly bring peace to the FN but I think that's more Zuko's job/ destiny (even though I throughly disagree with it grrrrr) ... I think Ursa will more likely be like an advisor to Zuko rather than a ruler herself.... I dunno, though. There was a reason I brought up Iroh, and I completely spelled it out. Unless they work out their differences, I predict a power struggle between Zuko and Iroh.
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Post by firefly101 on Feb 22, 2008 0:30:59 GMT -5
^ The fire nation would not under any circumstances, let a woman rule their nation. I think admirality is right, Ursa can act as an adviser if the kids are too young.
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Post by Azula's Flames on Feb 22, 2008 11:56:04 GMT -5
They would let a woman rule if she was an heir and it was the fire lords wishes i.e Azula but not the wife of the previous firelord
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Post by Fire Lord Azula on Feb 22, 2008 17:20:54 GMT -5
"Fire Lord Ursa"? I'll admit: I never thought of that! I wouldn't rule your theory out, but I'd like to address a few issues. First of all: "Fire Lady". As I've stated in countless other threads, this is not a canon term. Until someone utters it, the wife of the Fire Lord is just that: the Fire Lord's wife. It's unknown as to whether or not this position holds any sort of power, or is completely subservient in nature. We never found out about Azulon's wife to even fathom a guess. Secondly: Ursa's banishment may or may not have stripped her of her royal title and authority. Lastly: upon her defection, Ursa was still a Princess. She never formally became the wife of the Fire Lord. Should she return to the Fire Nation with full honors, she'd still be considered a Princess, unless inducted in a ceremony. ^ The fire nation would not under any circumstances, let a woman rule their nation. I think admirality is right, Ursa can act as an adviser if the kids are too young. So how would you explain Azula, the nationally-beloved and current heir apparent, who's set to become Fire Lord if Ozai dies?
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Post by nandireya on Feb 22, 2008 21:07:48 GMT -5
Ursa has no right to the throne...she's royalty by marriage not by birth.
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Post by Zink on Feb 22, 2008 21:50:50 GMT -5
^ Well, one would hope.
Who knows? Maybe the line of sucession includes the spouses of the rulers. We know squat about Fire Nation sucession. All we know is that the oldest, non-banished child inherits the throne when the wife of the Fire Lord is dead (or absent.)
I mean, we don't have any cannon to rule it out, so we could bicker all day... won't that be fun.
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Post by admirality on Feb 23, 2008 7:14:03 GMT -5
Ursa has no right to the throne...she's royalty by marriage not by birth. EXACTLY...... and as Azula said "the divine right to rule is something ur born with" ..... Ursa may have been married to royalty but she does not have "blue" blood.... Even if Ozai does get dethroned (for the love of God NO) the throne shud pass to someone born into the royal family e.g Iroh, Zuko, Azula...
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Post by uverworldluv on Feb 29, 2008 17:52:31 GMT -5
Hmm.....it would be interesting if Ursa was the next Firelord, but i think power is passed down through the kids.
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