MsJimmy
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Post by MsJimmy on Dec 28, 2007 23:02:18 GMT -5
Then how did he know the scrolls were there?
wait, so ... who is... nevermind >_>
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Alleluia
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Post by Alleluia on Dec 28, 2007 23:06:49 GMT -5
I don't know if he *did* know the scrolls were there. >_> Seriously, we still don't know who left that message to Zuko about the catacombs. I do assume Iroh knew though. I mean, one: he was crown prince for most of his life and crown princes tend to get let in on secret palace structures. And two: he's a member of the White Lotus, who are all cloak and dagger and into leaving secret messages to scarred princes about secret catacombs. If they knew about them, Iroh did. Or maybe Iroh knew first and then they did. Could go either way.
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Post by thelastavatar on Dec 29, 2007 0:08:29 GMT -5
Iroh seems to have a knack at digging beneath what people want him to see, in order to figure out the real truth. Seeing how he observes and adapts very well, it would not surprise me if he figured some of the information he knew on his own. Also, he is more in touch with his spiritual side than Ozai or the rest of the Royal Family, so he may have had connections with Roku and/or the Fire Sages, who let him in on their secrets.
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Post by nexus on Jan 13, 2008 14:38:14 GMT -5
Very good point. That would be Fire Lady Ilah's Dad (probably some rich noble) and Roku's son-in-law's dad. I don't think either of those matter.
Anyway, I think it was a well kept secret. Nobody really knew, apart from Roku's daughter and her husband of course. As for how Iroh knew, I'm going with the whole Spirit World theory. The WLS knowing seems a little too hard to believe. I don't get why everyone sees them as some sort of all-knowing organisation with hordes of soldiers to command (from all the theories that Iroh will command all the WLS soldiers against the FN)
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asian malaysian
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Post by asian malaysian on Jul 8, 2008 1:32:17 GMT -5
Just realised that this thread existed in respect of whether anyone else within the Royal Family (specifically the Firelords) knew that Ursa was related to Avatar Roku. It doesnt quite address the point of the hair pin that Iroh gave Zuko proving the veracity of the linage but the discussion here has been quite informative. I dont think that Sozin could justify hunting down the next Avatar withthe goal of killing him without first rubbishing Avatar Roku's memory by probably calling him a triator to the Fire Nation. The White Lotus explanation is a good one however and I'll have to think on it for a bit.
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Post by ~*Tea Sage*~ on Jul 8, 2008 1:58:46 GMT -5
I think the Royal Council/Family who arranged the marriage most likely knew of Ursa's Lineage. But not of the feud between Roky and Sozin, if they did, not by many people, probably by the royal family.
I think the feud between Roku and Sozin was kept purely between them only, or as I've mention purely within the royal family. If the fire nation citizen knew of the feud, and the reason behind it, then you will have a divided Fire Nation infront of you, much like that of North and South Korea. The only reason why people supported the imperialistic campaign was because they were subjected to propaganda fed to them, much like Americans and other prideful nationalistic country these day ("WE"=good, "THEM"=bad).
I feel that the arrangement were probably for many factor, mainly political or "spiritual." When I said "spiritually" I meant, what other way to obtain the favor of an Avatar Spirit, then by marrying his daughter or granddaughter. I guess some people of the royal family may have knew of the feud, and wanted to "make up for it." Also, it would be good publicity, and the notion that having the avatar's blood running your vein makes you stronger isn't out of the question either.
As for whether Ursa's lineage is a kept secret, but a royal family secret, nope. I think Ursa side of the family and probably some of her family close friends knew of her lineage. But they probably kept that information pretty low key, a person with a grain decency wouldn't go bragging about. Its probably what Roku would have wanted anyways.....
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Post by asian malaysian on Jul 8, 2008 2:10:50 GMT -5
^^ What would have been Sozin's explanation to the rest of the Fire Nation for his quest to eradicate the next Avatar if not because of Avatar Roku?
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