dirtyyasuki
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Post by dirtyyasuki on May 30, 2012 7:55:09 GMT -5
Mmm, I don't entirely agree, but not because of the lore with chi and body manipulation, but because we have seen energy bending first hand, and it looks nothing like what Amon is doing. Of course we simply don't know anything yet, and there could be multiple styles of energy bending, with what we know I don't agree that it is energy bending. Especially with how much emphasis on the danger of its use by the Lion Turtle that energy bending is a duel between souls. Could the difference in "effects" simply be because compared to Aang, Amon is a non-bender who knows how to take away someone's bending? As far as we know the Dragon Turtle somewhat implied that energybending was something everyone in the past could do. So that might explain how Amon might be able to do the same as Aang did but perhaps minus the flashy effects. Or perhaps from a cinematic storytelling perspective the light show duel between Aang and Ozai was shown by the animators as a way to illustrate what happens when someone attempts to bend someone's energy but only those involved in the act can see how it's affecting them. Perhaps 3rd parties watching from the sidelines can't see the light effects. Only that one person is touching the others forehead who seems to be transfixed and catatonic the whole time. Both are equally possible given what little we know about energybending and Amon's abilities apart from the fact that effects of both regardless of how they've been represented in both stories seem to be remarkably similar.
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Post by firelordmomo on Jun 5, 2012 12:03:32 GMT -5
I don't think we can rule out that Amon is simply energybending, like Aang did to Ozai. It was made clear in TLA that long ago people bent energy and not elements, so it's not just an Avatar thing.
As far as it looking much "flashier" when Aang did it, that may have just been a visual given to the audience so we knew what was going on. Like when Toph, Aang, or Lynn use their earthbending to sense their surroundings. The audience sees the screen fade to black and white, and white rings emanate from their body. Obviously, that isn't really happening. But WE, the audience, see it nonetheless.
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Post by Paraiba Ocean on Jun 5, 2012 17:20:31 GMT -5
To the OP, I think there are some questions that will have to be addressed when it comes to Amon's energy bending. For example, where did he learn it? When the Lion Turtle explained it to Aang, it seemed to be considered a "dead language." People don't just wake up and somehow magically know how to speak Latin or Ancient Egyptian from the cosmos, and I don't think Amon just woke up and knew how to energybend (if he even can).
Now granted, I think Bryke has done a great job of keeping bending styles consistent, ie, a water whip done by two different waterbenders will have a similar general appearance/motion. I find it kind of difficult to believe that Amon would be able to do energybending differently than the way it was "originally" done with two points of contact between. I doubt the animators just casually forgot to put the extra hand there, so either it's for a specific reason (either Amon ~evolved~ or something else is at play here).
If it's the latter in this case, I have a feeling that the bending block can be undone in a way. Not to say the bender wakes up next year and looky there, s/he can bend again, but some sort of spiritual "unblock" can be done. However, if this is even possible, it's gonna take the Avatar rooting around in the spiritual side of things to figure that out - and she's got a long way to go.
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Post by Nashk Tategami on Jun 5, 2012 21:14:10 GMT -5
I don't think we can rule out that Amon is simply energybending, like Aang did to Ozai. It was made clear in TLA that long ago people bent energy and not elements, so it's not just an Avatar thing. As far as it looking much "flashier" when Aang did it, that may have just been a visual given to the audience so we knew what was going on. Like when Toph, Aang, or Lynn use their earthbending to sense their surroundings. The audience sees the screen fade to black and white, and white rings emanate from their body. Obviously, that isn't really happening. But WE, the audience, see it nonetheless. I wasn't just referring to the visual flashiness though. I am also talking about the nature of the bending. When you energybend someone, you are really having a contest of wills. Two souls fight, and the loser is stripped of his bending. That doesn't seem to be what amon is doing. He might be a willful person, but the speed in which he takes peoples bending away... It just seems too different to me.
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Post by firelordmomo on Jun 9, 2012 15:11:53 GMT -5
Well the recent episode demonstrates what I was saying. When Aang removed Yakone's bending, it was very simple and non-flashy. Regarding the "battle of wills" aspect of energybending, it could simply be that Aang's will (and his skill with energybending) has gotten exponentially stronger with time. He was after all only 12 years old or so in TLA.
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dirtyyasuki
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Post by dirtyyasuki on Jun 9, 2012 23:38:49 GMT -5
Well the recent episode demonstrates what I was saying. When Aang removed Yakone's bending, it was very simple and non-flashy. Regarding the "battle of wills" aspect of energybending, it could simply be that Aang's will (and his skill with energybending) has gotten exponentially stronger with time. He was after all only 12 years old or so in TLA. Or as I suspected the flashy effects were just a storytelling tool. And energybending in real life from an outsider's perspective is just a suspicious looking hokey magic trick.
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Post by Argyle Bender on Jun 10, 2012 19:07:30 GMT -5
I believe Amon takes bending permanently, with the exception that another energybender may be able to return it, or even bestow it on a former non-bender. I always assumed the crazy light was just, as firelordmomo was saying, an effect for the audience. It doesn't literally happen.
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Post by Paraiba Ocean on Jun 11, 2012 1:15:47 GMT -5
I believe Amon takes bending permanently, with the exception that another energybender may be able to return it, or even bestow it on a former non-bender. I always assumed the crazy light was just, as firelordmomo was saying, an effect for the audience. It doesn't literally happen. I guess that kind of begs the question though are they "storing" that bending ability somewhere within themselves, or are they creating some sort of permanent qi block in a sense? I think the first time we saw Aang take away someone's ability to bend was definitely for storytelling purposes, just like when Toph and Lin use earthbending to "see" it doesn't actually turn grey for everyone and have the SONAR-like vision thing going. It just artistically gets us to see the point. However, Aang stripped Yakone's bending the same way he stripped Ozai's, and the same way the Lion Turtle touched him. A hand on the forehead and a hand on the chest. I guess I just find it hard to believe something else isn't going on, especially when he's consistently touching a pressure point on every victim he's stripped bending from that shares the same name. (Amon is a pressure point found at the back of the base of the neck.) Call me a conspiracy theorist though lol.
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Post by Nashk Tategami on Feb 11, 2013 22:48:29 GMT -5
well looking back almost a year later I was dead wrong. Who knew it would have been a blood bender?
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