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Post by frozenwind141 on Dec 23, 2006 8:52:33 GMT -5
Oh please, indulge me. Please show me all those blatantly obvious Zutara hints that I just seem to keep missing...[/quote]
Yeh I'd love to see these obvious hints aswell...
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Post by Power on Dec 23, 2006 8:55:00 GMT -5
Im in a very ripe mood to rant. I dont want to be set off.
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Post by Growly on Dec 23, 2006 8:55:04 GMT -5
That's a gross generalization. There are plenty of older people who do not ship Zutara, me being one of them. Believe it or not, Kataang is a ship that doesn't just appeal to little kiddies. I've seen plenty of adults who ship it as well. That's certainly true - I'm not a "kiddy", nor is Amira and she's the Goddess of Kataang. It seems to me that it's the teenagers who mostly ship Zutara. Most Kataang fans seem to be either 14 or under or else mid-twenties and later.
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Post by frozenwind141 on Dec 23, 2006 8:59:08 GMT -5
I'm 16 and I ship Kataang, so that is obviously a gross generalization to say that.
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Post by Growly on Dec 23, 2006 9:01:44 GMT -5
I'm just talking about statistically - it seems like Zutarians like to claim that "mature" people ship Zutara, but age-wise, I think Kataang has a higher population of "older" people in the ship.
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Post by Power on Dec 23, 2006 9:07:39 GMT -5
My whole family loves Katara and Aang, they are avid Avatar watchers
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Post by Kyatto on Dec 23, 2006 9:08:56 GMT -5
I'm just talking about statistically - it seems like Zutarians like to claim that "mature" people ship Zutara, but age-wise, I think Kataang has a higher population of "older" people in the ship. I noticed that too. *nod* On the other topic about Mike and Bryan giving into fandom wishes- I think someone stumbled across the Jet raping Zuko in the forest fanfic and decided to toss in the whole "Jet must obsess over Zuko" thing. I liked that though. It made for much squee and gigglefitting, and it gave them a good excuse to bring back a character that was highly amusing. But take into consideration that was like the most random, obsvure, unexpected thing they could've done. That's why I'm like, waitig for Mai to confess her secret love to Toph in season 3 or something. Expect the UNEXPECTED!
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Post by LightBender on Dec 23, 2006 12:59:13 GMT -5
Oma/Shu story: They are wearing red and blue. Their families hate each other. Seems to remind of two certain nations. North Pole: If you slow motion part of Zuko's and Katara's fight, their bendings form a yin-yang symbol. The Waterbending Scroll: I am not sure I agree with this, but some people believe that Zuko was basically flirting with Katara when he tied her up. Bitter Work: Zuko smiled when Uncle mentioned waterbending. The Crossroads of Destiny: Katara lingered when she was following Aang while Uncle and Zuko were having a talk.
My comment about the Creators changing the storyline, I still stand by it. Look at the differences between the first season and the second seasons. The first season was very straightforward. The second season was much more complex. This show was originally planned for the 6--11 year olds. Most likely, once the Creators realized that there was a wider age range, they probably decided to broaden the show's content.
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Post by Power on Dec 23, 2006 13:03:32 GMT -5
The creators are not going to change the story they originally created to please a majority of fans. The show was geared toward the younger audience, but of course older people watch it, so there is no need to broaden it anymore than what was originally intended. And by the way all those you just mentioned have been discovered and painfully discussed to death over and over again, if you find any others that none of us have seen please let me know.
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Post by frozenwind141 on Dec 23, 2006 13:24:03 GMT -5
Oma/Shu story: They are wearing red and blue. Their families hate each other. Seems to remind of two certain nations. North Pole: If you slow motion part of Zuko's and Katara's fight, their bendings form a yin-yang symbol. The Waterbending Scroll: I am not sure I agree with this, but some people believe that Zuko was basically flirting with Katara when he tied her up. Bitter Work: Zuko smiled when Uncle mentioned waterbending. The Crossroads of Destiny: Katara lingered when she was following Aang while Uncle and Zuko were having a talk. My comment about the Creators changing the storyline, I still stand by it. Look at the differences between the first season and the second seasons. The first season was very straightforward. The second season was much more complex. This show was originally planned for the 6--11 year olds. Most likely, once the Creators realized that there was a wider age range, they probably decided to broaden the show's content. None of those are obvious hints. Also the first season wasn't straight forward at all and it had things in it that dealt with subjects much more mature than 6--11 yr olds. The second season was different to the first but thats not because the creators saw how popular the show was,t he second season had the plot evolving much more slowly.
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Post by Ana on Dec 23, 2006 13:26:32 GMT -5
Oma/Shu story: They are wearing red and blue. Their families hate each other. Seems to remind of two certain nations. The Oma/Shu story can foreshadow any pairing (even Kataang) so I don’t see why this means Zuko/Katara is totally canon. Again, the yin/yang theory can foreshadow any pairing (even Kataang) so I don’t see why this means Zuko/Katara is totally canon. All I’m going to say is this: I really don’t think Zuko was flirting with Katara. Zuko smiled because he was excited about Uncle teaching him (but I guess I’m biased). Katara can show compassion for someone without wanting to make out with them. In short, Zutara hints can be easily disproven and they certainly aren’t more than Kataang. And the creators are not going to change their story just because it’ll upset a few fanthings. I'm just talking about statistically - it seems like Zutarians like to claim that "mature" people ship Zutara, but age-wise, I think Kataang has a higher population of "older" people in the ship. That's true. Most older Avatar fans I've met are Kataangers if they ship at all and, like you said, it seems to me that it's the teenagers who mostly ship Zutara.
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Post by o0whitelily0o on Dec 23, 2006 13:42:51 GMT -5
To me, Katara has and always will see Aang as a younger brother/son figure. None of her actions towards him have ever had romantic underlyings- but I guess I'm biased as well. Her hugs are all platonic, the Serpent's Pass episode more or less confirms that, and what mother doesn't kiss her son on the cheek every now and then? And no matter how hard I try, I cannot imagine a scene from the show where Aang would say to Katara that he loves her, and she says it back. That's not to say that the pictures drawn of such a thing aren't lovely and sweet- I just can't see it happening in the show. In my opinion, I think that the creators won't have either Zutara or Kataang happen for a while.
And as for the season 2 finale- That didn't kill Zutara! All it did was make it the angsty forbidden ship again, to the delight of several popular Zutara fanfic writers/fanartists. That, and give us plenty of clips for FMVs and other such things. You know what they say- that which does not kill you makes you stronger. I have no doubt that Zuko will eventually become good and join the Gaang- and that is when the true Zutara-Kataang battle will begin. I think that Aang's dirty look to Zuko (and vice versa) foreshadowed that.
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Post by spook on Dec 23, 2006 13:43:30 GMT -5
Oma/Shu story: They are wearing red and blue. Their families hate each other. Seems to remind of two certain nations. Yes, that immediatly stands out in an episode where two other major characters show romantic interest in each other and almost kiss... Please, the color of clothing is hardly a hint. It's intention was to show us the origin of both earthbending and Omashu, and of course to give Katara the idea of kissing Aang. You have to dig real deep to find anything Zutara here. Really? Never noticed that myself. And if a 19-year old political-science student like me doesn't see that, then I doubt the people of the intended demographics will either. Not to be arrogant of course, but this is Avatar we're talking about, not The Da Vince Code. You're right not to agree with it. He wasn't flirting, it was an amateurish attempt to seduce her into telling where Aang was by bribing her with her necklace. Romantic? Hardly... Why I'm actually replying to this one is beyond me. He was going to be taught a firebending move inspired by the waterbenders. It must have amused him he was going to learn a firebending move only his uncle knew. I doubt the 'watertribe peasant' was on his mind... She didn't linger. She gave him a sympathetic look. Why? Because she sympathized with him. He had shown her he was more than the firebending monster she thought he was, which made her sympathize with him. That's in her character, she sympathizes with everybody who deserves it... Ugh, why do I still even bother. If you want to believe in your symbolic, metaphysical, uberphilosophical theories, then I'm not going to stop you. But I'm not going to stop replying to them either. Whenever someone posts crackpot-theories like these and actually believe them to be true, then I just can't help myself but to refute them... Wrong yet again if you ask me. Season two was just as straightforward as season one, you just choose to interpret it differently. The only vague aspect of season two is the opening of the seventh Chakra, which the writers have still left open to personal interpretation, but ironically enough most of you choose to interpret that as simply and basically as possible. The irony being that you manage to cook up philosophical, deep theories when everything is as straightforward as possible, and you refuse to do the same when the situation actually requires it. Season two has been darker, deeper and more emotional than season one, but I don't see how it's any less straightforward. The only thing more complex was Aang actually starting to take his job as Avatar more seriously, adding an extra dimension to his character. But if you are implying with 'complex' that season two was in any way more vague than season one, then I can't help but to disagree.
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Post by Tophu on Dec 23, 2006 13:47:03 GMT -5
Wow. This subject got a little off-topic, but keep going, everybody! This is getting interesting... ;D
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Post by Power on Dec 23, 2006 14:48:08 GMT -5
To me, Katara has and always will see Aang as a younger brother/son figure. None of her actions towards him have ever had romantic underlyings- but I guess I'm biased as well. Her hugs are all platonic, the Serpent's Pass episode more or less confirms that, and what mother doesn't kiss her son on the cheek every now and then? And no matter how hard I try, I cannot imagine a scene from the show where Aang would say to Katara that he loves her, and she says it back. That's not to say that the pictures drawn of such a thing aren't lovely and sweet- I just can't see it happening in the show. In my opinion, I think that the creators won't have either Zutara or Kataang happen for a while. And as for the season 2 finale- That didn't kill Zutara! All it did was make it the angsty forbidden ship again, to the delight of several popular Zutara fanfic writers/fanartists. That, and give us plenty of clips for FMVs and other such things. You know what they say- that which does not kill you makes you stronger. I have no doubt that Zuko will eventually become good and join the Gaang- and that is when the true Zutara-Kataang battle will begin. I think that Aang's dirty look to Zuko (and vice versa) foreshadowed that. You cannot imagine Aang telling Katara he loves her? Are we watching the same thing? Oy the mother/song thing again? Ok im in rant mode right now. Katara is not Aang's mother, she has a motherly trait to everyone, even her own brother. And anytime the Zutara-Kataang battle takes place Im going to ask the creators to change to Avatar: The ship battles. Zutara isn't dead, but Zuko shot himself in the foot and whatever was a few steps forward just went a few steps back. He gained her trust and threw it right back at her. Call me biased, but the type of affection Katara ha been showing Aang lately has been more than a mother-son thing. She is not open with her feeling as Aang is, but seriously, you would think the creators, would throw away, two cheek kisses, two failed confessions, a possible liplock, hordes of hugs, and a near death without justifiable cause??? Seriously.
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