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Post by Chibi Chan-o on Apr 4, 2008 21:19:52 GMT -5
I made a thread about the SaiSuige theory here a while back.... I'll go find it. It had a link..... Yesh <- click The picture evidence got removed but it still has the writing and I could provide some of the missing pics. There's a second link, too. -> W00t
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Post by yasudaratsu on Apr 4, 2008 21:52:17 GMT -5
That is a nice theory for sure but Suigetsu's tooth are'nt pointier than Sai's brother?
Just having readed the new chapter and comparing some pics. The theory about Madara beign Danzou in disguise dont seems so unlikely, if he does is Madara, maybe the truth he wants to tell Sasuke about Itachi, according to GirlUnderGlass's theory about Madara/Danzou beign the same person, could be something that could change the way Sasuke saw Itachi as his clan murderer or something like that expecting to earn him as an ally? Still through Sasuke planned to kill after Itachi?
Some radical argument about Itachi's past for sure, like making him look like a patriot instead of a betrayer or something along those lines?
Btw, maybe Madara plans to make Sasuke to obtain the mangekyou through Itach's eyes? He must need his corpse for something :/
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Post by girlunderglass on Apr 5, 2008 8:10:02 GMT -5
Chapter 396 sort of clenched the Madara/Dazou thing for me- and I am not one to go on just looks alone. It all fit together for me once Madara revealed himself while dressed as Tobi. The Uchiha's controlling the police department, Madara being a co-founder of Konoha, Danzou's take on the current government, his desire for a more militant way of life and the one thing both men have in common- they both wanted to be the leader of the village. Perhaps Danzou competing for the position of Hokage against Sarutobi was a civil attempt to take over the village... and Danzou looking for Orochimaru's help (through Sai) was a case of the more damage done, the less work he had to do on his own. It just makes sense to me. I'm sure nothing Madara will say to Sasuke about Itachi is going to be full of truth and I am sure Sasuke is smart enough not to believe a word he says. Itachi told Sasuke that he had help from the other existing Uchiha in killing the clan. I'm sure once putting together the numbers and the abilities of all the Uchiha slain, Sasuke would conclude that Itachi had to have help. I don't think he's going to take so kindly to Madara once his strength returns. Alrighty... Last page of Chapter 396, last frame.... What is up with Sasuke's eyes?? -I thought at first it could have been an oversight in the drawing or a shadow- but we have seen that the sharingan can apparently 'glow' in the darkness. - Silly rumors flying around already include: Madara is so powerful that he is able to activate Sasuke's sharingan by just a glance (apparently Madara is also magical o.0). Sasuke is so exhausted, he is only able to turn one sharingan on. (As if we have ever seen that before. And all of a sudden Sasuke has become one to conserve energy ) People are saying that Itachi did get a hold of Sasuke's eye... I've even read people saying that when Itachi touched Sasuke, he managed to remove the sharingan properties of it. (Kishi has admitted to Sasuke being his favorite character. he never said Itachi was- you are not special or have special sharingan removing abilities Itachi!!!) As you see the theories have been ridiculous. And of course I would not toss out other people's theories if I didn't have some thoughts of my own. Zetsu picked up Itachi's body. We could assume he likely ate him- but maybe not. the corpse might be useful for something. Madara apparently carried back Sasuke- he even says that he healed him some but he was really beaten up. The last two frames of the chapter show Madara taking his mask off and revealing a right side Sharingan, with three tome. The final frame shows Sasuke- his left Sharingan activated with three tome and a look of horror on his face. Could Madara have needed one of Sasuke's eyes and helped himself to it while healing the worn out/ passed out Sasuke? And if so, what purpose would Sasuke's eye serve him?
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Post by godhunter on Apr 5, 2008 10:48:12 GMT -5
We have yet to see all he properties of the Sharingan. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that with all the time Madora had to develop his eyes he didn't discover a way to literally see if others had a sharingan, after all if he was looking for eyes to steal or something that would be more than a good asset.
I do have to say I can't agree that Madara took Sasuke's right Sharingan. If I remember correctly he always had his right eye, based on where the mask was placed on his face, so he would more likely steal the left eye. Also Itachi shows us that if you want to steal a Sharingan that you need to physically remove the eye, and if memory serves, eat it o.O and Sasuke obviously has right eye still, so I can't imagine that being true.
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Post by Sakura Uchiha on Apr 5, 2008 17:52:00 GMT -5
This is really getting on my nerves!
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Post by yasudaratsu on Apr 5, 2008 18:29:55 GMT -5
Yeah, most likely he will need Sasuke's eyes for his plans, otherwise he would'nt had letted him live that long, maybe he needed him for getting to another sharingan level or something.
About Itachi, I think Madara has something to show Sasuke before continuying his plans.
Btw, have wondered what Tobi meant by "recording" the fight?
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Post by girlunderglass on Apr 6, 2008 17:42:43 GMT -5
Yeah.. I was thinking that too Yasu. I do not recall it ever being mentioned that Zetsu was able to 'capture' sequence of events, but apparently he does. I guess that is part of how Pain and Madara have been able to know what is going on at all times. I'm hoping there is more detail given about it.
I agree with you GH. I'm hoping that it was just a matter of the lighting... but Kishi did make it a fairly large image and so I would have to think that having Sasuke's eyes drawn differently was no mistake. It looks like it was intensional. Friday can't come fast enough.
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Post by Chibi Chan-o on Apr 6, 2008 20:45:17 GMT -5
That is a nice theory for sure but Suigetsu's tooth are'nt pointier than Sai's brother? Yeah, but people change over time, you know. You just don't notice because most of the changes can be kind of subtle, although the teeth aren't. XD
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Post by girlunderglass on Apr 7, 2008 11:39:40 GMT -5
I;m pretty convinced that Suigetsu is who he is and not Sai's brother.
He was surprised to find out Sasuke and his genin team killed Zabuza- one of the Seven Swordsmen of the Mist. He wanted Zabuza's sword... and I don't think he'd have any qualms taking Kisame's if he defeated him for it.
Had Suigetsu been Sai's brother- he would have already known about Zabuza's death, being Root is a division of ANBU and carry Bingo Books. Zabuza was a listed S-Rank criminal.
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Post by Chibi Chan-o on Apr 7, 2008 19:46:07 GMT -5
But it's an interesting theory. Whoever made that theory looked at everything.
Sai is supposed to be secretive, though. We don't know hardly anything about him, except for the fact that he's an orphan and he is socially clueless. XD
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Post by yasudaratsu on Apr 7, 2008 21:21:06 GMT -5
I'm hoping that it was just a matter of the lighting... but Kishi did make it a fairly large image and so I would have to think that having Sasuke's eyes drawn differently was no mistake. It looks like it was intensional. Friday can't come fast enough. Yeah, I think it could be the effect of Madara's sharingan reflected on Sasuke's eye, but we get to wait to see if it is something else.. Wonders what could be his interest on Sasuke (if it is different than Itachi's), maybe it is some plan to take over the Leaf again? Maybe Yamato would play an important role on beating Madara? Edit: Any of you wonder about the truth of Itachi that Tobi talks about? I think it is something about Itachi's actions not beign so arbitrary.., not just by Madara's orders or ideals, it had something else to do about it.. What do you think?
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Post by girlunderglass on Apr 9, 2008 8:47:29 GMT -5
Yeah... everybody needs a little more Yamato in their lives! I do believe Yamato will play a big role in taking down Madara. The back story on Madara and his brother made it clear that they went from village to village taking the place over- why would the co-founder of Leaf wanting control over it be any different? The only likely answer would be that Shodaime was able to control the Sharingan. Why else would Kishi have kept Yamato on as a captain? *karma for bringing this up*
Thing is, even if Madara goes down like the Titanic, there is still the problem of Pein- who was able to take out Jiraiya rather easily. *Shakes fist* What will be able to take out Pein? His eye technique is said to be stronger than the Sharingan... So it'll have to be something strong than both the sharingan and Rasenshuriken. (Rumor has it that Kishi said in an interview that two major characters will die in 2008- Jiraiya is one- Itachi is the second. I have no idea how reliable this information is, being I read it second handed without seeing the original interview- and yet it did happen. Another rumor says that Naruto will develop a greater jutsu- greater than Rasenshuriken. Let's see if that comes true as well.)
Itachi... You might be right that Itachi was more for killing the entire clan- it would make sense since they were confrontational about his cousin's 'suicide'. Perhaps he was smitten that he was called out on something he thought he covered up well.
I think one of the things Madara will tell Sasuke about Itachi is that Itachi's intentions were to take Sasuke's eyes to gain power, simply to kill off Madara- who would be the last living Uchiha- which will be portrayed as greed. He had to know Itachi would try to betray him.
An interesting point I'd like to make is that we have never seen Tobi actually fight. He's great at dodging stuff- so that leads me to believe that he might be too old or weak to engage in combat. He might very well want Sasuke to do his dirty work- just as he may have wanted Itachi for the same.
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Post by yasudaratsu on Apr 9, 2008 14:48:47 GMT -5
Thanks for the karma. Exactly, there could some other reason than just controling the kyubii's power, maybe something like a jutsu only he can perform? I mean, like the technique Shodaime tried on Madara to kill him?
But yeah, if it were about something like controlling/ neutralizing the sharingan, Tobi did'nt seemed too surprised or impressed of finding someone else beign able to use the mokuton jutsu, maybe he discovered a way to surviving or countering such tecnique?
Yeah, Pein is another problem for Naruto, who must create another technique than the rasenshuriken due to the colateral damage, we still got to see how the rinnegan works agaisnt him.
Yeah, maybe the whole clan knew already what Itachi discovered then? The incident about his cousin suicide was that Itachi wrote the note with his sharingan so it seemed like suicide, but the policemen that went to Itachi's home had worried look on their faces. I think Itachi did kill his clan to push Sasuke to earn the mangekyou so he would get to earn his 'new' eyes with the ability already.
I think he told Sasuke already about his purpose about taking his eyes before their fight, wonders what Madara may tell Sasuke, I mean, he must alredy knows Sasuke said he would kill him after beating Itachi, so why he would trust him? One thing I sort of missed was something like Itachi's "good brother" side :/, like he really beign a caring brother.
Yeah, we have never seen him fight, aside of dodging attacks, maybe it is because we saw most of the mangekyou techniques when Itachi fought, but beign more experienced Madara must know better techniques, maybe he can or wants to control Sasuke's mind and as GirlUnderGlass said, do his dirty work?
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Post by girlunderglass on Apr 12, 2008 9:54:09 GMT -5
Interesting chapter this week... too bad Kishi needs to take a break for a week to realign the story. Makes me wonder just how much is going to be revealed about what a 'good guy' Itachi may have been.
I have always said, way back from partI - you only see the shadows of whoever is killing the parents. Sasuke only saw Itachi standing over them... that does not mean that he killed them himself. He might have been just looking out of shock.
I really hope Kishi decides to give Itachi a decent back story. He was a well developed character with enough mystery surrounding him- he could get away with just about story he wants to fabricate about him.
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Post by Chibi Chan-o on Apr 12, 2008 20:38:55 GMT -5
What? There's no new chapter next week? NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!! He always does that whenever there's a giant cliffhanger!!!!
It kinda makes me sad because Itachi was so kickass but now, it turns out he's not a villain.....
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