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Post by Lady Juse on Jul 19, 2010 12:02:05 GMT -5
So with the possible sequel possibly having M Night listen to us, I decided to have a thread about tips the fans have for this possible sequel.
So something I think we all agree on is MORE FUNNY! Some fans were drawn to the show for it's humor.
Also, no more stupid Earthbenders who don't use their bending even though the Fire Nation made no efforts to imprison them on metal.
Anyone have more tips for M Night? Remember, it cannot contradict the first one...
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Post by Dr. Joe on Jul 19, 2010 15:44:47 GMT -5
Tips for M Night.
Step One. Reitire. That is all.
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Post by Zidaneski on Jul 19, 2010 16:26:15 GMT -5
Humor, humor, HUMOR! Sokka squabbling with Toph would be what the sequel needs. Unfortunately M. Night wants to do the complete opposite and make it all doom and gloom. If he is going the darker way of things then make Azula really evil. Have Azula completely dominate earth kingdom forces single-handedly, and have her try to kill Aang even though he'd just be reincarnated again.
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Post by akako on Jul 19, 2010 18:42:05 GMT -5
What possibility?
First off, it's been stated that M. Night will not know about any green light until September, at the earliest. The film will be released internationally by then. Then after the numbers come in will it be decided IF there is a Book 2 film. Which brings me to my next point...
This film needs to make $580 million dollars to be considered financially worth the investment of future installments. It cost around $150 million for production and advertising was over $130 million. Paramount has to make back what it spent AND make double that. And given how under-performing it's done in the box office, especially given that it's been touted as a 'tentpole' film, Paramount may be hesitant to invest more.
What's more is they have to consider the reception, which has been abysmal. This film's been getting slammed by nearly everyone who's seen it, at the very least ranked a 'meh' with many people. They have to take that into account as well. Movie studios aren't all about money; they also have image to consider. How would it effect their image if they were to green light a sequel to a film that has not only made far less than expected, but has been ill-received by both critics and public at large?
I went to the youtube channel you got this 'news' from. This person should not be making such claims and most likely, in fact, misread an interview with M. Night that discussed the next film (if there IS one) and how it would be 'darker than the first'. The first one was already very dark; far darker than it needed to be. The thought of a 'darker' follow-up is downright depressing. What's also fallacious is the claim that M. Night is going to 'listen to the fans'. M. Night doesn't even listen to criticism; this has been proven and stated over and over again. What makes anyone think he'll listen to the shows fans?
This claim is simple hearsay and can't be substantiated by a reputable source.
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Post by Zidaneski on Jul 19, 2010 20:13:38 GMT -5
What possibility? First off, it's been stated that M. Night will not know about any green light until September, at the earliest. The film will be released internationally by then. Then after the numbers come in will it be decided IF there is a Book 2 film. Which brings me to my next point... This film needs to make $580 million dollars to be considered financially worth the investment of future installments. It cost around $150 million for production and advertising was over $130 million. Paramount has to make back what it spent AND make double that. And given how under-performing it's done in the box office, especially given that it's been touted as a 'tentpole' film, Paramount may be hesitant to invest more. What's more is they have to consider the reception, which has been abysmal. This film's been getting slammed by nearly everyone who's seen it, at the very least ranked a 'meh' with many people. They have to take that into account as well. Movie studios aren't all about money; they also have image to consider. How would it effect their image if they were to green light a sequel to a film that has not only made far less than expected, but has been ill-received by both critics and public at large? I went to the youtube channel you got this 'news' from. This person should not be making such claims and most likely, in fact, misread an interview with M. Night that discussed the next film (if there IS one) and how it would be 'darker than the first'. The first one was already very dark; far darker than it needed to be. The thought of a 'darker' follow-up is downright depressing. What's also fallacious is the claim that M. Night is going to 'listen to the fans'. M. Night doesn't even listen to criticism; this has been proven and stated over and over again. What makes anyone think he'll listen to the shows fans? This claim is simple hearsay and can't be substantiated by a reputable source. Nothing wrong with thinking of some tips. Its better than repeating the same information about how much money it needs to make.
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Post by Aanglover on Jul 19, 2010 21:50:05 GMT -5
What possibility? First off, it's been stated that M. Night will not know about any green light until September, at the earliest. The film will be released internationally by then. Then after the numbers come in will it be decided IF there is a Book 2 film. Which brings me to my next point... This film needs to make $580 million dollars to be considered financially worth the investment of future installments. It cost around $150 million for production and advertising was over $130 million. Paramount has to make back what it spent AND make double that. And given how under-performing it's done in the box office, especially given that it's been touted as a 'tentpole' film, Paramount may be hesitant to invest more. What's more is they have to consider the reception, which has been abysmal. This film's been getting slammed by nearly everyone who's seen it, at the very least ranked a 'meh' with many people. They have to take that into account as well. Movie studios aren't all about money; they also have image to consider. How would it effect their image if they were to green light a sequel to a film that has not only made far less than expected, but has been ill-received by both critics and public at large? I went to the youtube channel you got this 'news' from. This person should not be making such claims and most likely, in fact, misread an interview with M. Night that discussed the next film (if there IS one) and how it would be 'darker than the first'. The first one was already very dark; far darker than it needed to be. The thought of a 'darker' follow-up is downright depressing. What's also fallacious is the claim that M. Night is going to 'listen to the fans'. M. Night doesn't even listen to criticism; this has been proven and stated over and over again. What makes anyone think he'll listen to the shows fans? This claim is simple hearsay and can't be substantiated by a reputable source. Nothing wrong with thinking of some tips. Its better than repeating the same information about how much money it needs to make. wow....way to go Z... someone at DH who actually is kinda defending the movie. thats refreshing 2 c.. so thank u!! *exalts* well...my tips 4 the sequel (if there is going 2 b one) is that they can get new head writer(s) and head producer. all of my opinions can be viewed on the petition thread that i started on petition spot and posted on this forum. probably wont do much but i might-as-well tell people how i think we can salvage the next movie from being turned into a punching bag for critics.. lol
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Post by akako on Jul 19, 2010 22:01:11 GMT -5
What possibility? First off, it's been stated that M. Night will not know about any green light until September, at the earliest. The film will be released internationally by then. Then after the numbers come in will it be decided IF there is a Book 2 film. Which brings me to my next point... This film needs to make $580 million dollars to be considered financially worth the investment of future installments. It cost around $150 million for production and advertising was over $130 million. Paramount has to make back what it spent AND make double that. And given how under-performing it's done in the box office, especially given that it's been touted as a 'tentpole' film, Paramount may be hesitant to invest more. What's more is they have to consider the reception, which has been abysmal. This film's been getting slammed by nearly everyone who's seen it, at the very least ranked a 'meh' with many people. They have to take that into account as well. Movie studios aren't all about money; they also have image to consider. How would it effect their image if they were to green light a sequel to a film that has not only made far less than expected, but has been ill-received by both critics and public at large? I went to the youtube channel you got this 'news' from. This person should not be making such claims and most likely, in fact, misread an interview with M. Night that discussed the next film (if there IS one) and how it would be 'darker than the first'. The first one was already very dark; far darker than it needed to be. The thought of a 'darker' follow-up is downright depressing. What's also fallacious is the claim that M. Night is going to 'listen to the fans'. M. Night doesn't even listen to criticism; this has been proven and stated over and over again. What makes anyone think he'll listen to the shows fans? This claim is simple hearsay and can't be substantiated by a reputable source. Nothing wrong with thinking of some tips. Its better than repeating the same information about how much money it needs to make. M. Night doesn't need tips so much as he he needs to have his over-inflated ego punctured. M. Night does not read criticism of his films. He ignores everything and anything negative people say about his work. He has, while not in so many words, stated that people who dislike his films are people who 'don't understand his vision'. That's his excuse every time one of his films fails; he takes no responsibility and instead blames the viewer's for 'not understanding his message'. Therefore, I find this claim that he's going to 'listen to the fans' complete baloney. He's going to do whatever he wants regardless of how people feel.
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Post by Lady Juse on Jul 20, 2010 0:07:14 GMT -5
Listen you! This thread is made for that small flicker that there will be a sequel. And as this is one of the top Avatar The Last Airbender forums, chances are he'll look here for what we want. So if you are a whiny pessimist who can't find it to help a director WHO IS DIRECTING AGAINST HIS USUAL GENRE leave now.
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Post by Musogato on Jul 20, 2010 2:02:57 GMT -5
Careful, there. This isn't the kind of forum that divides threads by this-line-of-thinking-only with no counter-arguments/border crossing allowed. Some responses may not be favorable to you, but that doesn't mean you can kick them out. In addition, watch the personal attacks. There's no need to escalate things.
On topic, I agree that the chance of Shyamalan listening to fans for input on his movie (or rather, any comment that is not "omg I love your movies") is impossibly slim. But if I were to offer advice anyway, I would suggest that he re-watch the series, and listen to a wide variety of people who like the show or a particular season, and try to understand what it is about it that they really like or find memorable. Then watch the show/season again, with their thoughts in mind, to try see where they're coming from.
One of the (many) overarching problems with Airbender is that it lacks soul. There is no reason to care for the characters in his movie, regardless of the type of genre it is. So my tip would be to try find that soul in the show, and then figure out where he went wrong in the first movie and how to correct it in future scripts.
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Post by Aanglover on Jul 20, 2010 7:43:21 GMT -5
i agree with akako in a way on this arguement. It seems like it's hard for M. Night to take constructive criticism because he thinks that people are just bashing his work. Seeing as he has had many of his movies bashed like this, it seems pretty expected for this director, writer, and producer to shut out his mind of the "possibilities" and opinions others might have. i think that if he just sits down on the computer and goes to fansites like The Last Airbender Fans Online, or even here, he can get the tips to make his next movies better. Personally, i love him as a director. I just don't love his writing style or producing on this movie. I feel like he didn't take the time to re-read the script and say things like, "oh, no. that doesn't sound right." and revise it. I think that if he or someone else just took the time to re-read the script it would have been a better movie altogether. As the producing goes, i didn't like how Bryke were just co-producers..i believe this would have been better if THEY were at the helm of that department...it would have been fair to them and they would have had a bit more control on the movie. but hey, that's hollywood for ya. so, just changing the head writer and head producer i think is the best way for the next movie to flourish. having a new director is nearly impossible, and in all honestly, i wouldn't want a new one. I like his direction, but it just wasn't executed well for the 1st movie. And i don't want our series just "handed-off" to many directors like some salt shaker at a table..lol. so, here's my petition for a new head producer/writer for the 2nd movie (if there's gonna be one). sign if you believe in this petition. www.petitionspot.com/petitions/newwriterproducertla/
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Post by Lady Juse on Jul 20, 2010 10:45:15 GMT -5
I guess the biggest tip then is to get someone else to write and produce it then...
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Post by Aanglover on Jul 20, 2010 11:14:13 GMT -5
Other tips i suggest for M. Night 4 the sequel:
- re-watch the source material and pick out the MAIN events of the season. - be open-minded about others reviews, he may learn why people are complaining about TLA. - focus on the script's ready-ness - draw ideas from real ATLA fans, even his daughters might have something to contribute. - make the next movie at least 2 1/2 hrs long (if possible) - get help! he shouldn't think he can "do it all" for his movie, he'll go catatonic! - give up some control over the movies..please, please, pleaseeee! - give the characters more personality and make the Gaang feel like a family - use more slapstick! when i saw TLA the slapstick made me appreciate more parts of the movie. use more! - dont use senseless diologue and monologuing...some things people can figure out on their own. -focus on the bending and how it is "connected" to the character...(dont use so much extra arm/leg movements to get the bending going) - make the acting scenes more fast paced. ( i really liked the aang/zuko fight at the NWT...fast paced and close)
that's really the only tips i can give him...
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Post by avaspaz on Jul 20, 2010 13:11:53 GMT -5
-Longer movie -Character development -The main idea of the season (the drill, the dai lee's control over the city, the upcoming eclipse and invasion...) -Less narrating -More humor
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Post by Lady Juse on Jul 20, 2010 14:41:54 GMT -5
Yeah. M Night needs help with this movie. It's too much for one person with the powerful story line, lovable charaters and very powerful fanbase.
Now we need M Night to read this...
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Post by avaspaz on Jul 20, 2010 15:42:35 GMT -5
Aangs feelings toward Katara should also be evident in the movie. It ends up playing a major role in the book 2 finale, as well as the end of season 3.
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