aquavi
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Post by aquavi on Nov 15, 2008 20:46:13 GMT -5
Mind you...there are way fewer posters than there used to be... That is also in part to canon dying ending. A lot of fandoms go through it and if ATLA is something of a cult classic, and there is some indication that it might be, it'll ploy through a dry period. (And with the movies coming out...) And I'm sure the number of fic and art produced is still growing, even if post count is lessening here. (I still see quite a bit of ATLA art posted up in my watch list on dA... often by people who otherwise have no ATLA fanart in their gallery )
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Post by Amira on Nov 16, 2008 20:34:15 GMT -5
I certainly don't think anyone is say thing that either you or Nandi doesn't respect the ending, Goten. But there are plenty of people who do and would disrespect the ending and the characters themselves. Like Nandi suggested one author to me. It is an author that I am familiar with and while I don't know if the fic will end with Zutara or not, I dislike how Aang is portrayed in favor of Zuko. In fact most fics have Zuko as super-honorable and leave poor Aang looking like some clingy entitled child too stupid and silly for anything. And I feel that Aang is one of Bryke's better creations. He could have easily been a bratty super-being. Instead we got a very real, very human, almost boy-next-door type. And whereas most of those child-is-the-only-one-to-save-the-world types often fail and fail miserably, Bryke avoided that trap and succeeded quite beautifully with Aang.
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Post by goten0040 on Nov 16, 2008 20:46:04 GMT -5
I think Aang CAN be clingy, but that's human. Zuko can be more bratty than Aang - not that both of them don't have anything to whine about. XD
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Post by Amira on Nov 16, 2008 21:23:10 GMT -5
It is why I have shied away from anything that isn't Kataang or Gaang-centric. I enjoyed certain characters so much that I have just now preferred to keep myself to things I know I will enjoy.
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Post by goten0040 on Nov 16, 2008 21:27:32 GMT -5
I think one of the only shipper fics I've read for Avatar that did everyone justice were by Booter-Freak. That was ages ago. I don't want to sift through horrible fanfiction to find the few gems. I stick to other fandoms in that aspect. Besides, the forum ships are WAY more interesting.
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Post by Amira on Nov 16, 2008 21:41:12 GMT -5
Ah well, I'm not involved in that.
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Post by nandireya on Nov 17, 2008 1:51:55 GMT -5
It is why I have shied away from anything that isn't Kataang or Gaang-centric. I enjoyed certain characters so much that I have just now preferred to keep myself to things I know I will enjoy. I'm the same...though with different parameters...
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Ana
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Post by Ana on Nov 17, 2008 22:06:08 GMT -5
I certainly don't think anyone is say thing that either you or Nandi doesn't respect the ending, Goten. I know I wasn't. Portraying Aang as clingy is fine (Aang does have a big fear of loosing his loved ones) as long one don't make him into a big brat or something like that. I've seen that happen quite a bit in post-canon fic because authors let their preference for Zuko over Aang show way too much. But I admit to having a big preference of Aang over Zuko so I don't read those fics anyway. Besides, the forum ships are WAY more interesting. Heh, yes indeed. DH ships FTW.
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Post by Amira on Nov 18, 2008 1:12:52 GMT -5
I've had to stop reading a few fics because of that reason, Ana. It looked promising, then let me down. I hate it when a fic does that.
And truthfully (and unfortunately) the fandom has helped shaped some of the dislikes.
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Post by deana on Nov 18, 2008 18:52:24 GMT -5
Well...I didn't have a ship, I just had one I didn't want to see happen...but if the occurrence or non-occurrence of a ship was what it took to get people to dislike the entire show...well...the two of us at least wouldn't be here. Mind you...there are way fewer posters than there used to be... Well I, as a Zutara fan, can honestly say that Season Three is a big reason why I do not like Avatar anymore. It was mostly filler stuff but yet they found no time for the Ursa scene. We got a whole hour of The Boiling Rock, a boring trip to The Beach, many lovely episodes of Zuko pmsing, but no time for Ursa. Writing Iroh out, big mistake. The White Lotus Society was a let down. I do not like the title character at all. Hokado separating from his kids after being reunited with them; after two whole tedious episodes devoted to breaking him out of prison was so unbelievable it is laughable. Couple that with the drama in the fandom and some Bryke antics and the show just lost its appeal. I have always said that Zutara was a side story that I wanted to see but I really don't believe that would have made me satisfied with Season Three. Not to mention the Spirit bending kind of kills the reason to watch the reruns. It made re-watching the quest to master the elements that isn't spiritbending pointless. In closing, Season 3 was a the iceberg that sank Avatar for me . . . but watch some will only see that I am a Zutara fan and home in on that only. It never fails. It only takes a few bad episodes to get me to stop watching. I gave up Heroes this season for that very reason but at least I finished Avatar before departing. I am wondering if we will ever see that Ursa scene that was pulled. SDCC would have been an awesome place to showcase it. Oh well . . . .
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Post by Amira on Nov 19, 2008 2:27:41 GMT -5
I don't think there is anything wrong with saying that, deana. You obviously feel very strongly. I am sad that you don't like the show much anymore. I liked Season 3. And I liked all of the episodes in that season. I can see how some of it might not have appealed, but to each their own. I think the spirit-bending itself was interesting. It required Aang to be completely whole and uncorrupted. And the entire journey he had and every experience he had allowed him to do just that. It was the highest form of bending, the purist form of bending IMO and without his journey over the course of the show he would have been unable to do that. Truthfully I never thought he would win with the elements alone. But then again, I got to see Aang triumph. All the negative for me pales in comparison. The fandom drama is at times tiresome. I don't really care much for Zuko and find the constant and endless fandom worship tiresome. Bryke's supposed antics, well, I don't think they were being malicious, considering the treatment of them and their show by fans. Unfortunately, some people didn't get the joke. The show is an amazing achievement. Not everyone was going to like everything. Not everyone was going to get what they wanted. Zutara lives on in the fandom and I have to live with the fact that my favorite character will forever be eclipsed by Zuko.
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Post by nandireya on Nov 19, 2008 4:23:57 GMT -5
I got to see Aang triumph. All the negative for me pales in comparison. I'm very happy for you...but for me my positives weren't in anyway balanced by the negatives...the positives were just way too outnumbered. I don't think they were being malicious, but I certainly found them in bad taste. I actually found the 'jokes' at the Zutarians rather tiresome...and I feel it inspired a lot of the treatment they got. They could have just left it alone...acknowledged the fandom, shrugged and said "well...it's not what we've got planned but have fun with it" instead of constantly bagging them in the commentaries. I don't even like Zutara and I got sick of it! I don't dislike the show like deana now does...but I'm in no way the fan I once was...I couldn't tell you the last time I watched it...and as of right now I have absolutely no interest in the movies...as it is, I now prefer the fanon...the good fanon...there's so much more thought put into it.
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Post by goten0040 on Nov 20, 2008 12:00:02 GMT -5
That, I do agree with. Bryke was a bit childish about the whole Zutara thing, and considering they make up such a large expanse of their fandom, they treated them all rather cruelly.
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jillrg
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Post by jillrg on Nov 20, 2008 21:33:22 GMT -5
That, I do agree with. Bryke was a bit childish about the whole Zutara thing, and considering they make up such a large expanse of their fandom, they treated them all rather cruelly. How unfair. Their fans and shippers are never childish If I read the DeviantArt journal entry announcing this right, this finale-rewrite project has been in the works since July, and they still haven't completed their production team yet. How much time and energy and communication can you devote to something without getting paid and with no actual progress before it gets boring? Animating is going to take way too long until no one cares anymore, I think. They should have done the DJ thing. I donlt understand how they're apparently doing "the last four episodes;" if new relationships were canonically introduced completely out of left field in the last four episodes of a series, that would never be accepted. sigh But I guess it would be scarier to understand the insanity. Oh, well, it's not like anybody writing the canon will be influenced. I hope...
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Post by nandireya on Nov 20, 2008 22:54:03 GMT -5
Well...the canon's over with...how could they be influenced?
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