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Post by Exorcist on Sept 9, 2007 0:42:31 GMT -5
Ok, I agree Christianity roots come from Judaism, it still isn't a branch. Now for the second comment, just ignore it, im being an idiot. But if jesus wasn't killed, then i believe jesus would be part of the jewish faith.
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Post by Chevalier Vi Liberté on Sept 9, 2007 0:58:49 GMT -5
I already stated that Christanity is not a branch of Judaism. So your repeating yourself.
Okay, I'll ignore it. I disagree with you last statement though. The people of the Jewish faith despised Jesus and wanted him killed. Thus, the reason for his execution. So, the Jews would never worship Jesus and he would never be a real part of their faith.
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Post by Gran Gran on Sept 9, 2007 8:43:28 GMT -5
I already stated that Christanity is not a branch of Judaism. So your repeating yourself. Okay, I'll ignore it. I disagree with you last statement though. The people of the Jewish faith despised Jesus and wanted him killed. Thus, the reason for his execution. So, the Jews would never worship Jesus and he would never be a real part of their faith. It was not the Jewish people it was the priesthood being threatened by his fundamentalism. He was not intend on creating something new, but to improve the existing. And he was not out to being worshiped, because that would be wrong. he was out to teach the true way. (If Jesus would walk the earth today, a lot of the fat cats in the churches today would hate him and want him dead, seems to be cyclish, because Martin Luther had that little problem as well)
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Post by historyman12 on Sept 9, 2007 8:46:00 GMT -5
I already stated that Christanity is not a branch of Judaism. So your repeating yourself. Okay, I'll ignore it. I disagree with you last statement though. The people of the Jewish faith despised Jesus and wanted him killed. Thus, the reason for his execution. So, the Jews would never worship Jesus and he would never be a real part of their faith. It was not the Jewish people it was the priesthood being threatened by his fundamentalism. He was not intend on creating something new, but to improve the existing. And he was not out to being worshiped, because that would be wrong. he was out to teach the true way. (If Jesus would walk the earth today, a lot of the fat cats in the churches today would hate him and want him dead, seems to be cyclish, because Martin Luther had that little problem as well) soem would, I doubteveryoen would.
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Post by Grimmjow of the Funk on Sept 9, 2007 9:10:33 GMT -5
if your saying that you can sayislam is also based off of judaism. You win 3 awards 1. Worst grammar in thread. 2. Worst supporting spelling 3. Lack of research in a animated debate. oh thank you thank you so much i'd like to thank all the people that made this possible, my english teacher, my fast typing hadns, adn my lack of caring if i spell sh** wrong or right, and of course the big man upstairs. by the way Abraham had a son with hagar named ishmael who later went on to disocver islam after he was kicked out of the family by sarah.
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Post by historyman12 on Sept 9, 2007 9:43:32 GMT -5
@layziebone Since Judaism was the world's first major religion that is still practiced today, many major world religions do have some basis or similarity with Judaism. Islam is no exception. Islam and JudaismNo, hinduism is.
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Post by Exorcist on Sept 9, 2007 11:24:24 GMT -5
historyman12: you might be right, we don't know who made hinduism SK: I'm just making the statement clear to everybody else.
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Post by Chevalier Vi Liberté on Sept 9, 2007 16:54:09 GMT -5
It was not the Jewish people it was the priesthood being threatened by his fundamentalism. He was not intend on creating something new, but to improve the existing. And he was not out to being worshiped, because that would be wrong. he was out to teach the true way. Yes, I learned enough about this in history in scriptures class (catholic school...) and through some of my own research. The priesthood thought their teachings and practices were being threatened as well as their political power. For the most part, the Jewish people hated him as well but for different reasons. Some hated him (primarily Zealots) because he would not lead them in a revolt against the Romans and others because he was trying to change the faith they had followed for so long. I never said Jesus was out to be worshipped but that did not stop people from doing it and continue doing it today. Please read my statements before posting. I said many major religions. Not all. @exorcist Actually, hinduism does have creators. What seperates it's origin from most other main world religions is that it was not started by one person. History of Hindusim
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Post by Exorcist on Sept 9, 2007 17:42:35 GMT -5
My point is that we don't know the creators of hinduism, im not saying that it doesn't have creators.
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Post by Chevalier Vi Liberté on Sept 9, 2007 17:52:53 GMT -5
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Just because we do not know the exact names of the creators does not mean we do not have an idea of who they are. Just read the histroy of hinduism link I posted to get a better idea of that.
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Post by Exorcist on Sept 9, 2007 18:13:48 GMT -5
ok, I didn't say we didn't have any theories on who it might be. just that we don't really know for sure.
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Post by Chevalier Vi Liberté on Sept 9, 2007 20:53:37 GMT -5
We do know where the origins of the religion and the people who made it are. We just do not know the exact name of the people who created it.
Either way, this thread is getting way off topic.
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Post by historyman12 on Sept 28, 2007 16:26:24 GMT -5
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Post by Chevalier Vi Liberté on Sept 28, 2007 20:06:18 GMT -5
I am on the laughing side but not so much wet my pants. I just wasted my time reading most of that. It's as if it is the same ideas presented over and over again hoping to reach a different conclusion with actual proof of God's existence. My English AP teacher taught us that this kind of thinking can be characterized as insanity. That is the process of doing the same thing over and over again hoping to have a different result.
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Post by Fizzywig on Sept 29, 2007 1:45:56 GMT -5
mostly because i dont want to dig though 97 pages of posts and catch up with the off topic-ness i will forcibally return it to topic by answering the question posed in the thread.
Just like any peice of literature that has survived so long the bible has good an important parts and parts that dont speak to the modern era.
that Jesus of Nazareth guys had some totally awsome thoughts on helping out the poor we really could use a bit more of that nowdays. its a shame that the vast majority of people who read his storys seem to be more worried about unborn children and two dudes kissing.
So thats my thoughts on it as a peice of writing (oh and it has some major continuity breaks. needs a good editor imo)
My thoughts on it as a concept or as an object however, are very different. The idea that there is one truth and this truth can be expressed in a human language in about 500 pages is downright rediculous. Im also quite annoyed by the hordes of fundumental conservative christains who use the bible as a reason to be mean or hate others without actually reading it. im shocked evertime i hear someone bashing on homosexuals because of about 3 maybe 4 small passages and then those people turning around and NOT HELPING THE gobstopper POOR. its just rediculous the way this book is being used.
HOWEVER I encourage everyone to read the bible. not because i think you will gain some truth or love of god from it, lord knows i didnt, but to understand western culture you NEED to understand Christianity and understand the Bible. plus ive found actually readign the bible helps me in my arguements against Conservitive Christians.
God i love being a Liberal Athiest
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