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Post by Grimmjow of the Funk on Sept 3, 2007 23:08:12 GMT -5
i understand your point but i don't think that can make up for it. and for a source just look at mel gibson's movie there's enough said in that.
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Post by Exorcist on Sept 3, 2007 23:09:56 GMT -5
countessrachel is right, for example the jews were slaves to the egyptians before moses came along. they were treated horribly before jesus.
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Post by Consonant*** on Sept 3, 2007 23:12:44 GMT -5
i understand your point but i don't think that can make up for it. and for a source just look at mel gibson's movie there's enough said in that. Mel Gibson is an incredible anti-semite. That is NOT a true representation of the Bible. Braveheart pretty much proved you can't use Mel Gibson as a source.
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Post by Grimmjow of the Funk on Sept 3, 2007 23:13:19 GMT -5
yeah but everyone were slaves the jews just happened to be there and wre different that is just racism. because they were not egyptian they were forced. look this is just my opinion. i hold this close to heart since the most people that suffer across history happen to be my people. jews and that kinda scares me.
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Post by Consonant*** on Sept 3, 2007 23:15:17 GMT -5
yeah but everyone were slaves the jews just happened to be there and wre different that is just racism. because they were not egyptian they were forced. look this is just my opinion. i hold this close to heart since the most people that suffer across history happen to be my people. jews and that kinda scares me. It had nothing to do with their being Jews, it had to do with their being a weaker people.
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Post by Exorcist on Sept 3, 2007 23:16:18 GMT -5
your people suffered the most? i think black people suffered the most.
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Post by CountessRachel on Sept 3, 2007 23:16:34 GMT -5
countessrachel is right, for example the jews were slaves to the egyptians before moses came along. they were treated horribly before jesus. Er, well that's where I disagree with you. There's no actual written historical record anthropologists can agree on (other than the Bible) of the Jews being enslaved in Egypt, or of Moses and the whole series of plagues. But yes, the Bible doesn't equal all anti-semitism. Really? I'm black and I think Native Americans have suffered the most. The majority of us might be in poverty, but at least we're still here. =/
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Post by Grimmjow of the Funk on Sept 3, 2007 23:16:44 GMT -5
exactly thats what i've been trying to say. it wasn't because they were anti-semetic that was astarted by the new testament.
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Post by Exorcist on Sept 3, 2007 23:30:28 GMT -5
Krayziebone: I looked around and yes some people hate the jews because of the death of jesus. but the main reason why your people were picked on, is because they were weak. Countess: yeah like the mayans, i wonder what a native american would say?
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Post by Grimmjow of the Funk on Sept 3, 2007 23:32:04 GMT -5
is this the new demon?
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Post by mikael on Sept 3, 2007 23:34:08 GMT -5
FYI, if you hate the Jews because of the death of Jesus you are doing two things:
1) Going against the teachings of Jesus, who preached acceptance of all 2) Hating Jesus himself, who was Jewish.
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Post by Grimmjow of the Funk on Sept 3, 2007 23:38:09 GMT -5
its pretty weird but yeah why else would the inquisition have targeted jews? why else would jews be put in the possesion of money handling so they would be seen as greedy and everyone would hate them? its as crazy as it sounds.
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Post by Exorcist on Sept 3, 2007 23:40:23 GMT -5
Cyanide: true, true Krayziebone: yeah, i just read a book on exorcists.
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Post by Gran Gran on Sept 4, 2007 1:37:55 GMT -5
its pretty weird but yeah why else would the inquisition have targeted jews? why else would jews be put in the possesion of money handling so they would be seen as greedy and everyone would hate them? its as crazy as it sounds. For whatever reason, missinterpretation of the facts (crucifiction is the method of execution of the Romans) or because of their exclusive behavior - no matter - Jews had been singled out in society and marked for all to see, with dresscodes and trade restrictions. It was deemed unfit for a good Christian to be a money lender, and Jews were prohibited from joining guilds and learning a trade. So by the very nature of the legislature they where forced in to commerce and banking. And as we all know, who holds the money holds the influence and power. And since they where essentially without country, ruler and army they also where fair game for those jeaslous of their property. Add to it circumstance and finger pointing (especially in those dark times when there was no explanation for a lot of things...) and you have a lynch mob out for blood. Jews being weak? Everybody is weak when they are few and ar between in a strange land...(sounds like Nazi rethoric, frankly! A little soul searching is in order!) The people in his time knew who killed Jesus just by the way he was killed (by jewish law he would have been stoned to death) though I am sure the role of the priests was not a small one...but whatever, it was used as a means to discredit the people and kill them... The New Testament is nothing anti, other than anti laziness, corruption swindle....the exclusions of whole groups does not start until the letters to the satellite communities...
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Post by Grimmjow of the Funk on Sept 4, 2007 8:55:01 GMT -5
i understand all your points and they are good ones but htere is no actual way to tell if the only reason why jews were killed or picked on by christians was because hey were weak. i do not believe that. maybe that was a partial reason, but the bible had something to do with it.
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