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Post by mike1921 on Sept 3, 2007 18:51:03 GMT -5
. Ok you guys respect other religions,yet you force your children to be your religion. I've never heard of a catholic family that didn't make there children be catholic whether they like it or not(them not having children doesn't count ). I don't mean bringing them to church because their parents were going and didn't have a baby sitter. I mean sending them to catholic school against there will,making them read the bible against their,etc. I don't get it. You respect other religions yet you force yours on other people? Or maybe this is one of those rules of religion that only 2 outta 1,000 people listen to these days.
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Post by Grandi on Sept 3, 2007 18:53:48 GMT -5
Well if no evidence exists reality and logic dictates that it never happened.
Also go ahead and try to prove the new testament, I'm waiting.
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Post by Gran Gran on Sept 3, 2007 18:55:17 GMT -5
Ok for now on when we are talking, we should exclude the old testament because the main difference between the torah and bible is the new testament. The story about the life of jesus which is the most important thing about the bible. Grandi: what would you like to know about the bible, I have it in my hands right now. Cyanide: We (catholics) don't say other religions are wrong, we just say that we believe we are right. LOL If the Old Testament is not important, why keep it? Ah, yes, if in doubt, cop out... Catholic church is not famous for tolerance (but pretty few religions are, really) and it's only a few decades that the worthiness of other Christian Denominations is accepted... Buble, as a historical excerpt of the israelian people is fascinating. And once you peel the layer of religious mold off, it gets to better than the Enquirer! If you were to read a secular book you would analyse it for truth. being what it is you take the preset consensus of people you don't know nor their agenda and take it as - well - gospel! I keep thinking about 'De Bello Galico' by non other than Julius Caesar. It was written for the sole purpose of justifying the allready finished campaign. Lovely stuff, and full of lies...no, make that contradictions. Given that too many people had their hands in that pie, and looking back on history, many had little honorable intentions other than lining their own pockets...I have my doubts one can rightfully assume that the bible as we see it here and now was inspired by God.
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Post by Exorcist on Sept 3, 2007 19:01:28 GMT -5
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Post by historyman12 on Sept 3, 2007 19:04:50 GMT -5
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Post by Gran Gran on Sept 3, 2007 19:07:55 GMT -5
Technically not possible to proof something with itself.
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Post by Exorcist on Sept 3, 2007 19:11:27 GMT -5
where you got that quote from?
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Post by Gran Gran on Sept 3, 2007 19:12:16 GMT -5
From the second link, first paragraph pretty much.
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Post by Grandi on Sept 3, 2007 19:14:51 GMT -5
I read their proof of the Bible by science page, it was laughable. NOT ONE FACT ABOUT ANY VERSE there can only be explained by divinity. I too have decided, after investigating everything accurately anew, to write it down in an orderly sequence for you, most excellent Theophilus (friend of God ed.), so that you may realize the certainty of the teachings you have received. (Lk 1,3-4)
Here, Luke is explicitly claiming that he is writing history. There is no other reasonable way to interpret this line.HOLY CRAP THE BIBLE SAYS THAT THE BIBLE IS RIGHT BOY I'M CONVINCED. Worst, most unconvincing arguments ever.
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Post by Exorcist on Sept 3, 2007 19:15:15 GMT -5
stupid sentence but we can't expect a perfectly written document.
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Post by Grandi on Sept 3, 2007 19:15:46 GMT -5
stupid sentence but we can't expect a perfectly written document. When it comes to how i live my life I'd like for it to be based on something not full of mistakes.
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Post by Exorcist on Sept 3, 2007 19:19:08 GMT -5
Hey my links are better than yours, the person how wrote my links didn't hate jesus. I like to see you find a link that was written by a christian. I do admit that the bible have flaws.
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Post by Grandi on Sept 3, 2007 19:30:49 GMT -5
Hey my links are better than yours, the person how wrote my links didn't hate jesus. I like to see you find a link that was written by a christian. Believe it or not you can't find a link proving Christianity is wrong written by a Christian. Your facts are wrong, mine are proven yet the only thing you can come up with is that "Your links are better because they were written by a Christian" Utterly inane.TOP TEN SIGNS YOU'RE A CHRISTIAN 10- You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed by other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence of your god. 9- You feel insulted and "dehumanized" when scientists say that people evolved from lesser life forms, but you have no problem with the Biblical claim that we were created from dirt 8- You laugh at polytheists, but you have no problem believing in a Trinity god 7- Your face turns purple when you hear of the "atrocities" attributed to Allah, but you don't even flinch when hearing about how God/Jehovah slaughtered all the babies of Egypt in "Exodus" and ordered the elimination of entire ethnic groups in "Joshua" -- including women, children, and trees! 6- You laugh at Hindu beliefs that deify humans, and Greek claims about gods sleeping with women, but you have no problem believing that the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary, who then gave birth to a man-god who got killed, came back to life and then ascended into the sky. 5- You are willing to spend your life looking for little loop-holes in the scientifically established age of the Earth (4.55 billion years), but you find nothing wrong with believing dates recorded by pre-historic tribesmen sitting in their tents and guessing that the Earth is a couple of generations old. 4- You believe that the entire population of this planet with the exception of those who share your beliefs -- though excluding those in all rival sects -- will spend Eternity in an infinite Hell of Suffering. And yet you consider your religion the most "tolerant" and "loving". 3- While modern science, history, geology, biology, and physics have failed to convince you otherwise, some idiot rolling around on the floor speaking in "tongues" may be all the evidence you need to prove Christianity. 2- You define 0.01% as a "high success rate" when it comes to answered prayers. You consider that to be evidence that prayer works. And you think that the remaining 99.99% FAILURE was simply the will of God. 1- You actually know a lot less than many Atheists and Agnostics do about the Bible, Christianity, and church history -- but still call yourself a Christian.
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Post by Exorcist on Sept 3, 2007 19:34:40 GMT -5
Your top ten thing is actually pretty accurate. But it is not the same for the catholic branch. probably the protestants and the eastern orthodox.
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Post by historyman12 on Sept 3, 2007 19:55:50 GMT -5
Hey my links are better than yours, the person how wrote my links didn't hate jesus. I like to see you find a link that was written by a christian. Believe it or not you can't find a link proving Christianity is wrong written by a Christian. Your facts are wrong, mine are proven yet the only thing you can come up with is that "Your links are better because they were written by a Christian" Utterly inane.TOP TEN SIGNS YOU'RE A CHRISTIAN 10- You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed by other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence of your god. 9- You feel insulted and "dehumanized" when scientists say that people evolved from lesser life forms, but you have no problem with the Biblical claim that we were created from dirt 8- You laugh at polytheists, but you have no problem believing in a Trinity god 7- Your face turns purple when you hear of the "atrocities" attributed to Allah, but you don't even flinch when hearing about how God/Jehovah slaughtered all the babies of Egypt in "Exodus" and ordered the elimination of entire ethnic groups in "Joshua" -- including women, children, and trees! 6- You laugh at Hindu beliefs that deify humans, and Greek claims about gods sleeping with women, but you have no problem believing that the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary, who then gave birth to a man-god who got killed, came back to life and then ascended into the sky. 5- You are willing to spend your life looking for little loop-holes in the scientifically established age of the Earth (4.55 billion years), but you find nothing wrong with believing dates recorded by pre-historic tribesmen sitting in their tents and guessing that the Earth is a couple of generations old. 4- You believe that the entire population of this planet with the exception of those who share your beliefs -- though excluding those in all rival sects -- will spend Eternity in an infinite Hell of Suffering. And yet you consider your religion the most "tolerant" and "loving". 3- While modern science, history, geology, biology, and physics have failed to convince you otherwise, some idiot rolling around on the floor speaking in "tongues" may be all the evidence you need to prove Christianity. 2- You define 0.01% as a "high success rate" when it comes to answered prayers. You consider that to be evidence that prayer works. And you think that the remaining 99.99% FAILURE was simply the will of God. 1- You actually know a lot less than many Atheists and Agnostics do about the Bible, Christianity, and church history -- but still call yourself a Christian. funny, somewhat so so, but jus tchange it from "Christian" to "Protestant" and then it'll be accurate AND somewhat funny
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