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Post by Gran Gran on Aug 19, 2008 7:43:39 GMT -5
A soft topic, but maybe we get it to work:
The other day while bullets and rockets were exchanged over the Russian/Georgian border (never mind the idea of Olympic peace for the duration of the games) the Lady's Volleyball teams of Russia and Georgia faced of in the Olympic tournament.
No ugly scenes or any of the kind, just sport. In the end Georgia prevailed and the teams shook hands.
Now how can we settle more differences in this way? Or make the war mongers put on some gloves and stick their own heads in the fight?
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Post by CountessRachel on Aug 19, 2008 17:54:23 GMT -5
Keep in mind, just because someone is the leader, it's not always his/her fault when things go wrong. It's because said person holds the title of leader that the blame falls on them.
But if countries could solve border issues over volleyball games, this planet wouldn't look a thing like it does now--which could be a good thing or bad thing.
But Georgia and Russia's issue, when you sort through all the excess fluff, is simply age old habits of two living beings fighting over the same territory.
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Post by GROOONK'D on Aug 19, 2008 18:53:25 GMT -5
The one flaw in this plan is the two Georgian volleyball players were imported from Brazil IIRC. There are many accounts of countries doing that for every Olympics.
They weren't actually Georgian citizens so they probably didn't care. If they were, things would have been uglier.
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Post by Gran Gran on Aug 19, 2008 23:02:01 GMT -5
The one flaw in this plan is the two Georgian volleyball players were imported from Brazil IIRC. There are many accounts of countries doing that for every Olympics. They weren't actually Georgian citizens so they probably didn't care. If they were, things would have been uglier. Two? I counted a minimum of six on the field plus a few on the bench. They did not look Brasilian to me....
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Post by chrometatertot on Aug 19, 2008 23:50:38 GMT -5
not all folks hate war, to some it is a blessing which gives them purpose, others might not like the war, but they are fighting for something they believe in. some are truly in love with the chaos and brutality, others use wars to fuel greed and lust of power. only to some is it horrid and cruel. that is why it will never change and war will always be. peace is a lie, and only serves as the time for soldiers to heal and prepare for the next war. peace will never truly be. but apart from that cold hard truth, the reason those athletes can be so cordial and sporting is because they were first of all playing a game, not fighting a war, and second of all if they showed hostilities or violent behavior, they would be disqualified, and their lives work would be fo naught.
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Post by Lil' Cheney on Aug 20, 2008 15:38:43 GMT -5
This world cannot exist without war.
The idea of Leader vs. Leader combat provides a mathematical 50% chance of win for each leader.
War is not just violence, it's strategy, in picking the people who go on the front lines, those who pilot the fighter jets, and those who plan it all out. It's picking the right weapon for each job. It's the numbers.
Army vs. Army provides the stragegy, and the country with the best army almost always wins. Power, strategy, and time. War takes all of this, not just violence.
War isn't great and awesome, but it isn't the route of all evil, either.
If you don't like war, you don't have to be a part of it, but it is a part of this world, and it will never go away.
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Post by MasterPakku93 on Aug 20, 2008 16:11:48 GMT -5
As long as there is humanity, there will be war. Its just human nature.
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Post by GROOONK'D on Aug 21, 2008 0:47:29 GMT -5
The one flaw in this plan is the two Georgian volleyball players were imported from Brazil IIRC. There are many accounts of countries doing that for every Olympics. They weren't actually Georgian citizens so they probably didn't care. If they were, things would have been uglier. Two? I counted a minimum of six on the field plus a few on the bench. They did not look Brasilian to me.... opps, i was referring to beach volleyball nm
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Post by Horyo on Aug 29, 2008 13:28:11 GMT -5
This can relate to basic animal instinct.
War evolved with humans. The basic aggressive and violent behavior to ensure safety and dominance. The ability to crush something violently:
-rids the person or country of a possible threat. -Demonstrates the power and authority of that person or country, whether it be from physical strength or tactical ingenuity.
Play, however, is just "practice" or "not serious." The Olympics are serious, but no one is going to end up dying and thus the impact of the situation lessens. That's why they can "shake it off" after winning or losing, but the effect of dominance or superiority is not enforced. People can strive to be better; it's not like they lose one major game and their life's dream is over. This mentality is rivalry: winning and losing.
In war, when one country demolishes another, they express power and control, and leave the other country with no hope of fighting again, because their loss is permanent. The mentality becomes dominance: superiority vs. inferiority.
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Post by Yakuza on Sept 6, 2008 21:31:52 GMT -5
Humanity has proven it's ability to exist without war.
But this is how I see the world:
Military dominance and a willing ability to flex that dominance is all that is keeping the world from falling over right now. Deterence is a beautiful weapon you will never have to use. Other countries really are too scared to take on other countries because there are so many pacts and treaties and alliances that there is no safe way to protect yourself.
Now, in this volleyball case, the notion of civilization is gone. Civilians can be nice to one another, because they have no beef with one another. However, the government, that is basically holding their people in the palm of their hand, is 101% willing to throw those people at one another just to keep up appearances.
What we need is Putin to play volleyball against that Georgian guy... whenever he gets out of hiding...
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Post by Brightfire18 on Sept 8, 2008 21:28:15 GMT -5
Haha, reminds me of a joke a friend and I had. That instead of fighting, each country should have their own paintball team and when there's a disagreement, the teams will just play each other. xD
Realistically, this would be silly, and of course since such important things would be riding on games like paintball or volleyball, "sportsmanship" wouldn't exactly be the same as they would if the tournaments were actually about the fate of a nation. So much cheating and sabotage would take place, and who knows how underhanded people can get....
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Post by Gran Gran on Sept 9, 2008 7:32:13 GMT -5
soooo, and what is the difference to the Olympics?
well, no, it used to be that there was a code of conduct in place for warfare. You met on the battle field killed each other and went home. You usually left civilians be.
Still worked somewhat in WWII but to a lesser extend. Modern times have seen the worst of it tho. And these days the lines are not clearly drawn.
In the case of the former Soviet Union satellite states...I don't know why they fight. Some broke away with no problems, others are trying to but can't. But then again, I can probably tell you the average rainfall in Inshallah (sp?) in the Sahara, or the high and low temps in Novosibirsk...but the general geographic situation in the European parts of 'Russia'...'fraid not....
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Post by Yakuza on Sept 15, 2008 16:09:41 GMT -5
Everyone is willing to cheat in order to win, no matter what side they are on. No matter what the stakes. No matter what.
The Mahabharata? The good guys eventually ended up cheating to overtake the bad guys, and even then they barely managed to win.
Rules in war would only serve as a guideline as to what line everybody is crossing.
I mean lets face it, even in that paintball scenario, god knows what would go into those paintballs, and who could you trust to test and inspect them? Switzerland? They cant be neutral forever. Payoffs, chemicals, etc.
It'd be a mess. It's really just better to have good ol' fashioned war. We at least expect everyone to cross the line, drop their morals and ethics, and do what it takes to come out on top.
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Post by Gran Gran on Sept 16, 2008 0:34:20 GMT -5
ROFLMAO, interesting....
Another seemingly callous side effect: Since the majority of wars used to be fought over resources, more people killed, less competition....population control....
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Post by Yakuza on Sept 16, 2008 14:24:52 GMT -5
Population control is a seemingly light term when referring to war though. It's more like a youth downsizer. Wars should be fought with elder folk... err.. no offense grangran When I think of population control, I think of.. Natural selection
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