Post by Pleading Eyes on Aug 18, 2008 21:40:07 GMT -5
But it seems making a mediocre movie out of the "Greatest Musical of All Time" wasn't enough to satisfy Sir Webber.
*points and laughs from the Jesus Christ Superstar end of the Webber fandom*
I actually think there's nothing wrong with it. PotO isn't as sacred as its phans like to think it is, and it's a sequel by the guy who made the original anyway. Let's say Joel Schumacher wanted to do it, that's a bad idea.
Post by Pleading Eyes on Aug 19, 2008 0:00:10 GMT -5
See, I think we *should* judge.
There's just some things that you can't do without ruining the integrity of the original.
Christine doesn't know if her child's father is Raoul or the Phantom. What does that mean!? He never HAD any sort of physical relationship, he explicitly says so in the Final Lair scene. "This fate which condemns me to wallow in blood, has also denied me the joys of the flesh..."
This also ruins the impact of the kiss. The whole point is that the Phantom had never been kissed, scarecely ever touched save for being beaten. That's why it had such a tremendous impact, why a thing which most people take for granted meant enough for him to release the woman he loved and her fiancee. You can't go and change this fact without RUINING the emotional impact of the final scene!
And Raoul, let's not forget, as much as the phandom picks on him, is not some drunkard, fortune squandering, Christine beater/neglecter. He's the GOOD guy. The PHANTOM is the bad guy, as much as he is also a victim. It's exactly what makes him INTERESTING, the fact that we are made to sympathize with him despite him being the one running around making threats, killing people, and kidnapping little girls.
And why, WHY would Erik be running a freak show now!? Wasn't he horribly mistreated in one? Isn't that the whole reason Madame Giry had to "rescue" him? Wasn't that a big part of why he had to hide himself in a sewer, despite his genius? So he just woke up one morning and thought, "What the heck! I'll move to the good ol US of A and start a freak show of my own!"
Is it too much that Andrew Lloyd Webber actually go and read Leroux's novel again? It's obviously been too many years since he's picked it up. Heck, I'll settle for him skimming Kay's novel.
And don't even bring up "The Phantom of Manhattan." That Wikipedia article does not even BEGIN to describe how horrible that was.
Phantom isn't quite the holy unsequelable godsend all the fans seem to think it is. If this was some completely new musical people would look forward to it, but instead it's automatically bad because it's a sequel to the best musical evaaaar. Last I checked this was being done by Andrew Lloyd Webber, the guy PotO fans are inherently fans of.
Post by Pleading Eyes on Aug 19, 2008 12:26:46 GMT -5
Kaneda, this isn't about me thinking that POTO is "OMG Unsequeble ForEVAR!!?!11".
It's the very CONTENT that we're being told will be IN the sequel. It goes against everything that was established about the characters in the first one. Like a horribly written fanfic!
And Andrew Lloyd Webber... well, just because he wrote Phantom does not make him some kind of infallible god. After all, he did approve that awful Phantom of Manhattan book. He also was the one who hired Joel Schumacher to direct the movie.
I love The Phantom of the Opera, this doesn't mean I like *all* of Andrew Lloyd Webber's work. Far from it, even.
It's less me hating on this sequel just because its a sequel, and more me being upset over the premise of the sequel, because it seems to ruin the integrity of the first one.
It's like someone took a really crappy fanfic of Howl's Moving Castle, and then decided to make a sequel out of it! I'm sure you'd be upset, not because Howl's Moving Castle "OMG BEST ANIMU EVAR!", but simply because you love the first movie for what it is and you don't want the sequel to ruin the integrity of the first one.
Post by asian malaysian on Aug 19, 2008 21:29:23 GMT -5
It could be worse. Imagine if M&B decided to do a musical version of Avatar.
When what was whispered by the lovers in a cave as they blazed a trail toward freedom will be shouted from the mountain tops. When the world finally sees that the hopes of the little girl from a crumbling Southern Water Tribe are the same as the dreams of the boy in the iceberg. We will begin the next great chapter in the Avatar Saga with one word- KATAANG!