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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2008 2:37:03 GMT -5
^^ Well Avatar Wiki places Gran Gran as Hakoda's mother. I know this a little late but Gran Gran is Hakoda's mother. I saw it over at the e-card section on musogato's main avatar site.
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asian malaysian
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Post by asian malaysian on Aug 20, 2008 4:12:53 GMT -5
^^ Ive said it once and Ill say it again. I am deeply suspicious of how much control M&B had over the stuff that Nickleodeon produces in respect of Avatar outside the actual series. They probably had to sign over a painful amount of creative license in respect of marketing items and products. At this stage in their careers, they arent exactly post-Star Wars George Lucases here with enough money to tell the Viacom to go bite them. There's nothing in the series to suggest that Hakoda's heart was frozen. Sounds like something someone in the soundbyte department came up with to fill the card.
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Post by fuego on Aug 20, 2008 23:31:31 GMT -5
Let me restate it cause I think I said something about this episode but to me, it felt like I was watching an episode of the show 24. All of this from what I seen, took place with in some what on the twenty-four hours on the second day.
the first day was azula suprise attack...probley happen in the afternoon.
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lolabrit100
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Post by lolabrit100 on Jul 15, 2010 15:57:16 GMT -5
I loved this episode. The beginning was awesome and the Sokka/Suki thing was very funny.
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Post by waterfire (I am back!!!) on Jul 16, 2010 0:44:32 GMT -5
I loved this episode. The beginning was awesome and the Sokka/Suki thing was very funny. It makes you wonder what Sokk and Suki were supposed to be doing if Zuko wouldn't have showed up.
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Post by Korra on Aug 3, 2010 21:11:48 GMT -5
This is one of my favorite episodes. It starts off very light hearted and gets very serious by the end.
The bending seen in it was awesome too. :3
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Post by skybison562 on Mar 4, 2011 22:17:40 GMT -5
I totally loved the sokka/Suki thing, that's one point for Dante DiMartino or whoever did the script for that episode Plus there are few things more satisfying than seeing Katara go into Equus asinus-kicking mode and Zuko tailing along being completely understanding. I totally ship their chemistry!
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Post by Amira on Apr 21, 2012 3:38:00 GMT -5
I rewatched this episode the other day and I have this love/hate relationship with it.
I love Sokka and Suki's shenanigans, the tent of romance, the battle at the beginning, Sokka and Katara as kids, and most importantly I loved Aang in this episode. He just shined and showed just how wise and thoughtful he had become.
I am always amazed that there are people who put Aang in the wrong in this episode. Who find Zuko's treatment of Aang and his beliefs appropriate and humorous to be just bizarre. Aang speech to Katara is on point and completely correct. She was not behaving like herself. She was quick to be cruel to both Aang and Sokka. And as we later saw when she blood-bended a man, that Aang had every reason to be concerned for her. Bloodbending was a skill that she hated, that she was scared of possessing. And she readily used it. Not to defend a loved one in danger, but for revenge and information.
She is, like Aang, in possession of incredible talent and powers. Aang knows what devastation can be caused by an angry, irrational, extremely powerful being. He has shown that himself and knows better than anyone the later consequences. Because he became destructive over the loss of Appa, he shut himself off from feeling and became distanced from those he loved. He knew what revenge had done to Jet and how much that had upset Katara. And he saw the girl he loved, someone he cared for more than anyone else, becoming this angry and irrational girl who was mirroring similar words and behaves to himself at his worst and to Jet.
Aang didn't want her going down that path. He knew she needed to go on the journey for closure, but he wanted her to go on it rational and at least aware of how devastating revenge could be for her. He wanted her to be aware that there are consequences. And in that he was correct. And it is why this episode just proves what a great character Aang is.
Zuko on the other hand was a major disappointment. I am not a Zuko fan at all, so there is probably a bit of bias. I've never been terribly impressed by Zuko, but this episode just confirmed my dislike. For those who said Zuko was OOC, I beg to differ. Mocking or failing to listen to something he doesn't want to hear has been something that Zuko has done several times in previous episodes. I found his mocking of Aang's beliefs to be juvenile and completely without any defense. Aang culture is hanging by a thread and his people are gone, that alone should command at the very least a sliver of respect.
I also found it unacceptable that Zuko wanted forgiveness only episodes before but was quick to make fun of it when it didn't jive with what he wanted or with the point he was trying to make. He was the recipient of Aang's forgiveness and by the end of the episode he received Katara's and by the end of the series he had Iroh's. Forgiveness is not easy and it takes strength to forgive. For him to just toss it aside in this episode just made other scenes where Zuko gains forgiveness to be hollow and unsatisfying to me.
Aang did listen to Katara and he was strong enough to try and stop her from making mistakes he himself has made with regards to revenge and loss. And that doesn't make him in the wrong, nor should it condone Zuko's behavior towards him and his beliefs.
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Post by little My on Jul 14, 2012 7:59:22 GMT -5
Good post, Amira. Seems like you thought a lot about TSR.
However you put me thinking.... There's the fact Aang had a quite different upbringing than Zuko and Katara. They both were close to their mothers while Aang was raised with monks. He was taught to cherish and respect life, even if it was an evil person. Zuko and Katara both lost their mothers when they were kids, and I can see why Zuko urged her to avenge her mother. Despite Sokka and Katara had the same loss (and Aang even lost his whole nation), I don't think it's all that fair to compare them since individuals take things differently. Katara had to grow up as soon as her mother died. Remember her rant at Sokka: "Even since mom died, I've been doing all the work at camp while you've been up playing a soldier." (or something like that). She took it a lot harder than her brother. She had to become a mother to him.
In a way, maybe it's a good thing Aang couldn't convince her. She was able to let go of that pain and hatred she had to bear all those years and she could have a peace of mind. I can totally understand Aang's concern for her because she was blinded by her hatred and wasn't acting like herself at all and almost did something that could not be undone. I think that Katara may had made a mistake for not listening to Aang, but it turned out to be good for her.
Aang did the right thing trying to stop her, but in Katara's case it was better he didn't make it, in my opinion.
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