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Post by Grimmjow of the Funk on Jul 15, 2008 12:57:07 GMT -5
i think that gangs are the worst out of the 3. I mean there all bad but mostly cults and hate groupes have to do with religon and peoples race. Everyone is entitled to there own oppinion about those things. Athough they dont express that opinion in a positive way. Gangs are the worst because they hurt innosnet poeple and have nothing to do with race/ religon. They abuse people with no reason. most gangs do not go after innocent people they go after people in other gangs. that is why i do not think they are as dangerous as they used to be. there is supposed to be a code that gangs abide by i don't know if all gangs do but the bloods and crips do abide by it and alot of the other big gangs across the coutnry do as well such as the black disciples, 26's and the Latin Kings. the code is supposed to express that you are not allowed to harm people that are outside of the opposing gang. as well qs no robbing or breaking into houses that are not gang affiliated. this code was created by 2Pac and i don't know how wide spread it is but alot of the large gangs go by it. however there are still innocent people caught in crossfire. the reason i do not think gangs are the most threteaning is because they do not target innocent people they target other gangs. hate groups do target innocent people. |
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Post by spiritmage234 on Jul 15, 2008 13:02:48 GMT -5
^Yeah. Innocents are involved usually in the crossfire between a gang war. If I were to say that gangs had any level of nobillity, I'd say that the larger gangs are only noble when they have a "code of honor" to not harm civilians who have no gang affiliations, though you can't say that for smaller, street gangs, or for all gang members at that.
But I suppose that if there are breakable rules, there is a corporal punishment system within the gang.
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Post by xtal on Jul 15, 2008 22:29:49 GMT -5
Gang members do go after people who aren't part of an opposing gang if that person has ties by being a family member or a friend to the person they are after. It is quite common really, and its reported all the time. It is an easy way to get to opposite gang members and hurt them. Of course this often causes retaliation and the same thing happens on the other side. It is one big cycle. Plus nowadays, a lot of gang wars are turning into race wars. In compton and other areas in LA alot of latino gangs are now competing with black gangs for territory, and the latino gangs are greatly outnumbering the black gangs. It has gotten so bad that you can't even move to certain neighborhoods if you are a certain color. They feel that it is threating them so even if you aren't part of the gang, if you are the wrong color there is a great chance you could be seriously hurt or killed. In fact I remember seeing a report about a little black girl who was shot and killed in her own drive way by latino gang members just because of the color of her skin. Gangs don't care about anything except their members (though alot of the time they kill their own members if they do something wrong), their turf, and how much money they roll in via drugs, human trafficking etc.
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Post by Munchkinator on Aug 2, 2008 3:19:06 GMT -5
I still don't see a valid reason as to why we should feel sorry for them. You bring up the points of Homophobia and Prejudice, when Phobia's and Prejudice exists in most everything else. The degree of severity fluctuates from subjects, yet it still is there. There's gender, age, and racial prejudice to name a few and there's several population's of people who are "scared" of, or have a phobia of certain people (Race, "small people," etc.)
Seriously, I don't see Homosexuals as a special group of people, therefor, with that said, I don't feel sorry for them. homosexuals aren't fine, hell, they're far from fine, but they aren't so bad that we should specifically feel sorry for them because their faced with prejudice; they aren't the only ones. You brought a somewhat reasonable point, granted, but you failed to recognize that a plethora of others face the same obstacles. And for Christ's sake, phobias and prejudice isn't just a problem in the U.S.A., it exists throughout the entire world. Stop signaling out the U.S.A. with problems and mistakes that no one is innocent of. Come back to me when you pinpoint a flaw in the U.S.A. that isn't present somewhere else. Until then, I'd love it if people weren't so stereotypical.
As a result, no, I don't see why they should receive special treatment in the form of sorrow.
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Post by hh0ru5ma5ha11u5 on Aug 4, 2008 10:30:02 GMT -5
I agree with you all... I must admit though, shorty after coming to this country, I joined a 'gang,' which I did not dwell or premeditate on, I really did not have any intention of joining one, but I have seen first hand what happens in these groups, it is not something I would want to be apart of, which is why I left...
My reason was that I knew little about these aggressive groups, and when I was offered the position, it was portrayed as a brotherhood...An alliance, but I see now it was the wrong choice, that I shall never make again...
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Post by Turbo on Aug 4, 2008 16:29:19 GMT -5
I grew up with this kind of stuff in my city, so I'm used to it. They don't actually want to hurt you and will be pretty kind to you as long as you mind your own business.
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Post by hh0ru5ma5ha11u5 on Aug 4, 2008 18:31:28 GMT -5
Well, it depends....
But ye basically got the 'jist' of it, same as in prison, stay out of their affairs...
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Post by madfoot713 on Aug 4, 2008 19:22:45 GMT -5
Zero: Who said anything about feeling sorry about them or giving them special treatment? The only major thing they need now is for the states to give them marriage rights, you could say that's giving them special treatment but I say it's only humane. I don't a see what you have problem with here.
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Post by Munchkinator on Aug 5, 2008 10:39:29 GMT -5
Do put a point with that quote. This is a debate, not a quoting board
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Post by facestealer on Aug 30, 2008 16:40:56 GMT -5
Post 9/11 (besides the obvious Muslim prejudice that followed) several veeery conservative televangelists actually blamed the attacks on homosexuals (saying that God sent the attacks as punishment for their existance).
And of course, there's that group who think God kills soldiers in Iraq because we tolerate gays and go to soldier's funerals with signs reading "God hates f*gs"
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