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Post by Amira on Oct 10, 2007 22:33:12 GMT -5
No, they didn't bait Zutarians. At one of the conventions one of the creators even said that it was "not going to be like the cave of two lovers" and was not romantic. Zutarians jumped the gun and built it up on their own to be a Zutara scene.
And it wasn't romantic and ended badly. And left a whole bunch of the fans who had built their own hopes up by reading too much into a trailer feeling let down.
I'd say the series had been pretty straight forward and has not caved to fandom whims. It's been the fans who choose to read into things and fans who have chosen to believe that things are done "for the fandom." The only thing that's ever been done for the fandom are the Chibi Shorts and the magazines.
But back to the topic...Aang. Definitely Aang.
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Post by Zenjamin on Oct 10, 2007 22:41:30 GMT -5
thats a horrible arguement. whats wrong with wanting to do the right thing and help other people? whats right about zuko's "very personal (selfish) quest"?
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jillrg
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Post by jillrg on Oct 10, 2007 23:05:26 GMT -5
No, they didn't bait Zutarians. At one of the conventions one of the creators even said that it was "not going to be like the cave of two lovers" and was not romantic. Zutarians jumped the gun and built it up on their own to be a Zutara scene. Which everyone knew they would do The only thing that's ever been done for the fandom are the Chibi Shorts and the magazines. And the upcoming beach episode These writers know their anime tropes. And the older, aloof, villainous rival is a staple of anime. The truth is, you need both Aang and Zuko for the show to be what it is - fun and funny but deep and realistic.
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Post by yiceman on Oct 11, 2007 1:01:28 GMT -5
Sokka should be in the poll. He's usurped Aang as the leader of the gAang.
Not only that, he is offifically in charge of the war effort now. He's the one who made the invasion plan. He's leading the events right now. Aang may be the hero in name, but right now he's pretty much just following Sokka's lead. He's still procrastinating left and right, as if he still hasn't taken charge of his own destiny.
Sokkas more emotionally stable than both of the others. He was able to accept Yue's death and move on in a mature manner into a new relationship. He's handled his mother's death stoically, and understood and accepted why his father left.
Sokka's the kind of guy who will complain non-stop about a stubbed toe to anyone who'll listen, but quietly deal with a severed leg and move on.
Sokka's the kind of guy who, when Aang was "killed," instead of worrying and moping, he adjusted his plan and made this turn of events into their greatest advantage.
He's the kind of guy who will go out of his way to save innocent Fire Nation civillians against a crazy tree-dwelling boy, even when no one believes him.
He's also the kind of guy who, though some may deem it "cold," understands priorities. He knows that the best way to save ALL the villages is not to give food and healing to a few, but to focus on taking out the Fire Lord and stopping the war.
He's the kind of guy who's never balked or whined when they've had a serious problem. He's always lead them through it. Ever since half-way through the second season he's been leading them.
So yeah, I think Sokka deserves a place in this poll...because he's got it over both Baldy-Babyface McGee and Whiney McFlip-Flop any day.
In fact, the single and only reason that keeps me from thinking that Sokka would be better as the hero is the fact that he's got zero spirituality, and spirituality is an important part of being the Avatar.
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Post by grandmaster192 on Oct 11, 2007 6:59:39 GMT -5
I didn't know you liked Sokka so much, Yiceman, although I do disagree with him being a capable main protagonist. His character just isn't designed for such a role. Also, I get the feeling that this poll was made to see what side of the story people liked best, so Sokka really doesn't fit the poll. If you include Sokka, you would have to throw in Azula, as well.
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Post by nandireya on Oct 11, 2007 7:03:39 GMT -5
Actually, there was a poll that asked which side of the story people liked better...it was way closer...in fact I think Zuko was winning that one. This one is all about personality...and look how many Zuko fans have declined to vote...even we don't like him much at the moment...but we're not about to swich sides either
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Post by brilliantlygreen on Oct 11, 2007 7:16:41 GMT -5
Sokka's the kind of guy who will complain non-stop about a stubbed toe to anyone who'll listen, but quietly deal with a severed leg and move on. I love the way you described Sokka there. It is so true, and so... Sokka. <3 But I think the reason why Sokka isn't on the poll, is because people don't tend to rank him 'up there' with Aang and Zuko, mainly because he isn't a HUGE main character with a dramatic storyline going on. And more importantly, because he isn't a bender or a fighter. BUT OH HOW THAT WILL CHANGE. Aw. No need for name calling. xD Baldy is still trying to figure out what he's going to do with his destiny and how he's going to do it. Much like our Zuzu. So he probably doesn't care about being the leader of the gAang. Sokka pretty much took on that role without say. It's just who he is. However, while Sokka might be making plans, and leading the group, Aang is still in charge. Whatever Aang says, goes. In the Painted Lady, Sokka and Katara were fighting over whether or not to help the village. Both stated pretty valid reasons as to why they should or shouldn't help, but when Aang said, "Let's just get what we need and go" there was no further argument. I can't really remember the last time I heard (or if I ever have) Aang and Sokka fighting about what to do, or trying to get one or the other to do what they say. Anyway. Of course my vote went to Aang. I didn't even have to think twice about that one. That kid is just...my life. I can't even describe.
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Post by avatarasabat on Oct 11, 2007 7:28:34 GMT -5
Sokka should be in the poll. He's usurped Aang as the leader of the gAang. Not only that, he is offifically in charge of the war effort now. He's the one who made the invasion plan. He's leading the events right now. Aang may be the hero in name, but right now he's pretty much just following Sokka's lead. He's still procrastinating left and right, as if he still hasn't taken charge of his own destiny. Sokkas more emotionally stable than both of the others. He was able to accept Yue's death and move on in a mature manner into a new relationship. He's handled his mother's death stoically, and understood and accepted why his father left. Sokka's the kind of guy who will complain non-stop about a stubbed toe to anyone who'll listen, but quietly deal with a severed leg and move on. Sokka's the kind of guy who, when Aang was "killed," instead of worrying and moping, he adjusted his plan and made this turn of events into their greatest advantage. He's the kind of guy who will go out of his way to save innocent Fire Nation civillians against a crazy tree-dwelling boy, even when no one believes him. He's also the kind of guy who, though some may deem it "cold," understands priorities. He knows that the best way to save ALL the villages is not to give food and healing to a few, but to focus on taking out the Fire Lord and stopping the war. He's the kind of guy who's never balked or whined when they've had a serious problem. He's always lead them through it. Ever since half-way through the second season he's been leading them. So yeah, I think Sokka deserves a place in this poll...because he's got it over both Baldy-Babyface McGee and Whiney McFlip-Flop any day. In fact, the single and only reason that keeps me from thinking that Sokka would be better as the hero is the fact that he's got zero spirituality, and spirituality is an important part of being the Avatar. Word with Cheese man. D: That sums up how I view Sokka perfectly, this is why he is my favorite hero followed by Aang, Iroh and Hakoda. I love Aang the most, because it's a story of Coming of Age and it's such a good verison of it.
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Post by Firework on Oct 11, 2007 8:38:56 GMT -5
People, the reason I didn't include Sokka is because he has yet (in season three) done anything important or drastically changed liked Aang or Zuko. But just look at how much the two contrast each other: Aang is lovable, light, funny, and peaceful while Zuko is serious, dark(er), more mature, and not like a teddy bear like Aang. "The Awakening" only served to make their contrast more important.
I don't have anything against Sokka (though I think he was flanderized in season two-) but he still isn't as important as Aang or Zuko. No offense, but Aang is the Avatar and the last Airbender and Zuko is the Fire Nation prince who was scarred by his own father, hunted by his own sister, and betrayed his own uncle.
I could (or someone else could) make a new poll like this concerning personalities with Sokka included after "Sokka's Master" if that would help the Sokka fans.
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Post by grandmaster192 on Oct 11, 2007 8:56:34 GMT -5
There's no way in hell Zuko is more mature than Aang.
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Post by mindbender18 on Oct 11, 2007 9:01:16 GMT -5
being a whiny little loser does not make you mature.
Aang is serious (when it's time to get serious) he's mature (when it's time to be mature), and gets pretty dark at times (and unlike with Zuko, when he gets dark, no one's safe). I don't think it's acurate to label him as just a teddy bear
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Post by Firework on Oct 11, 2007 9:27:16 GMT -5
being a whiny little loser does not make you mature. Aang is serious (when it's time to get serious) he's mature, and gets pretty dark at times (and when he gets dark, no one's safe). I don't think it's acurate to label him as just a teddy bear Mindbender18, this rant is not addressed to you nor is my anger so please don't be offensed. *Sigh* I hate it when my opinion is criticized to the tiniest detail. Either it's about how I talk about a character or even how something is phrased- and then some snobby little pain in the neck comes along, acting all high and mighty and speaks down to me! *Sigh* I'm not talking about you mindbender18; I've had to try and explain my views on "The Painted Lady" to two annoying people who repeated each other and it's ticked me off. Anyway, yeah. Zuko at least acts more mature most of the time. Aang is kinda like a teddy bear most of the time. He only goes all angsty when the actual war is mentioned or if he believes he will be alone- which is not a lot. Most of the time, Aang is goofy.
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Post by grandmaster192 on Oct 11, 2007 9:32:21 GMT -5
Sorry Firework, but I'm going to have to agree with Mindbender. Being a little pu.ssy doesn't make a person more mature.
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Post by mindbender18 on Oct 11, 2007 9:34:54 GMT -5
Firework: don't mind me, i just wanted to day more bad things about Zuzu ;p As for Sokka, he's okay, but if i had to choose between him and Aang, i'd still choose Aang yep, which was hilarious
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Post by jillrg on Oct 11, 2007 13:08:16 GMT -5
Zuko at least acts more mature most of the time. Aang is kinda like a teddy bear most of the time. He only goes all angsty when the actual war is mentioned or if he believes he will be alone- which is not a lot. Most of the time, Aang is goofy. Actually, neither of them are at all mature. Aang either lives for fun (dancing, swimming, riding elephant koi) or breaks down feeling or angsts as hard as Zuko. Zuko's not mature at all but self-centered, short-tempered, and going crazy, like a typical teenager (in the extreme sense usually depicted in media). Maturity, for me, refers to the darkness in their backstories, not personalities. Zuko's story is more mature, in the sense of being darker, more serious, and containing abuse.
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