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Post by Munchkinator on Jul 31, 2008 16:37:00 GMT -5
I lol'd at the sheer immaturity showcased by this ad up above:
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Post by madfoot713 on Jul 31, 2008 18:20:54 GMT -5
"OH NOES, OBAMA IS BLACK" Seriously, as Kolibri stated, people need to get over that fact. What the hell is wrong with people these days? --; Honestly, I haven't paid much attention to what each candidate stands for/against. So, my choice is not for the individual person, but for the party they represent. With that said, I'd go for Obama, seeing as I favor the democratic party. I'm sorry, but that's a really big issue. If you're going to vote you have to take the time out to research both candidates, I don't get why Americans feel like they can just vote on appearance or a single issue or, worse, by party... And I hate how I have to say "both" candidates... there's probably about fifty candidates running for president in different parties and independently... and we have the internet now, simple sites like Wikipedia; in an ideal world a person would actually try to find the best candidate for them based solely on the issues... but instead most people are too lazy; we allow it come to the lesser of two evils every four years.
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Post by asian malaysian on Aug 1, 2008 1:28:18 GMT -5
People vote for all kinds of bs reasons. You cant really stop them. The main genius about the American presidential system is that you get to kick the leader out every 4 years and no matter what, he has to go in 8 years. The rest of the world would be a better place if they had this system in place. Look at the nightmare theyre having in Zimbabwe.
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Post by madfoot713 on Aug 1, 2008 13:13:57 GMT -5
People vote for all kinds of bs reasons. You cant really stop them. That's the issue. Americans are joust too ----ing lazy to give a dang about their own country I guess and then wonder why we're stuck with subpar leaders. Are you honestly telling me the average person doesn't have an hour to spare for research every four years? It's gobstopper important! But the media focuses on Hilary Clinton and Barack Obama and Mike Huckabee every year and ignores everyone else. That's a real issue, and now that we have the internet we can actually do our own research and people are too lazy to do that? It's depressing. What, so the same exact person can go right back in? Besdes, the rest of the world does have this system in place, for the most part.
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Post by asian malaysian on Aug 1, 2008 15:11:58 GMT -5
^^ Thats democracy. If the majority of voters have poor decision skills, you cant save them from themselves. Atleast with an 8 year limit, they cant consolidate power to stay in forever. Most countries do not have this system with leaders starying in power for decades. It doesnt mean that they were all evil dictators but the risk is greater that a leader will be able to ensure that he remains in office even to the detriment of his own country. If you are forced to bear in mind that its only a temp job which you have to let go off in eight years, you should be more mindful of the people you are leading since the only thing separating you from them is that relatively short period of time.
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Post by historyman12 on Aug 1, 2008 15:48:40 GMT -5
Whats really pissing me off are the endless McCain ads bashing Obama anytime i access this thread does anyone else notice that. Agreed. It's really Childish if you think about it. McCain needs to be promoting himself if he's even going to have a chance. People don't care what he's blaming Obama for, they're more interested in what he stands for. But I admit, it's really hard to sit through his speeches with his monotone. Really? He's not going to have a chance because of negative ads? Lyndon Johnson won on negative ads. The Daisy ad, anyone? Richard Nixon won on anti-Johnson nuts. Jimmy Carter won on negative ads. Ronald Reagan won on "There you again" in the debate. He won again on "Morning in America" Bush won on negative ads. The tank video? Clinton won on negative ads. Read my lips no new taxes ads? I'm not well versed in the '96 election, but I believe Clinton won on "Dole's too old" ads. Bush squeaked 2000 out, so I'm not going to say he won very well on negative ads. He won on supreme court decisions. Bush won in 2004 on negative ads. Swift boaters? So, no, he can win on negative ads. Only one person has won since 1964 on positive ads. Ronald Reagan. Obama is doing the same thing. Sheesh. John Sidney McCain III
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Post by Grimmjow of the Funk on Aug 1, 2008 15:52:08 GMT -5
@history: oh i have nothing against negative ads everyone does them its just there all McCain. where are Obama's anti-McCain ads?
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Post by historyman12 on Aug 1, 2008 16:03:55 GMT -5
@history: oh i have nothing against negative ads everyone does them its just there all McCain. where are Obama's anti-McCain ads? I see. You mean on this site, or at all? Because I haven't seen any here, but I have seen them.
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Post by Grimmjow of the Funk on Aug 1, 2008 16:18:57 GMT -5
i mean this site i mention both names in the thread and it is all McCain
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Post by mikael on Aug 1, 2008 21:47:04 GMT -5
That's because Obama's campaign has been focusing more on his own merits and less on trying to distract the voterbase with slander about his opponents.
When you have to resort to what McCain is doing, you know you have a candidate that has nothing better than the one opposite him.
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Post by Grimmjow of the Funk on Aug 1, 2008 21:52:03 GMT -5
its sad though because there is so much he could use. especially getting vengeance on the flip-flopping
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Post by madfoot713 on Aug 2, 2008 0:33:33 GMT -5
^^ Thats democracy. If the majority of voters have poor decision skills, you cant save them from themselves. Atleast with an 8 year limit, they cant consolidate power to stay in forever. Most countries do not have this system with leaders starying in power for decades. It doesnt mean that they were all evil dictators but the risk is greater that a leader will be able to ensure that he remains in office even to the detriment of his own country. If you are forced to bear in mind that its only a temp job which you have to let go off in eight years, you should be more mindful of the people you are leading since the only thing separating you from them is that relatively short period of time. Um, you're kidding, right? Most European countries are as much as a democracy as we are and have term limits as well. And if you think after their term is up the president goes back to being a normal person you're deluding yourself. They're still just as much a part of the elite as they were before.
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Post by Munchkinator on Aug 2, 2008 2:49:48 GMT -5
They hide in the woods and write autobiographies about themselves.
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Post by historyman12 on Aug 2, 2008 9:30:38 GMT -5
I saw an Obama ad just now. So there.
Because Obama's totally consistent. He's changed his position on:
The DC gun ban. Was for, now supports the Supreme Court Decision.
Reasons for partial birth abortion. First thought mental distress was a reason, now doesn't.
What to do in Iraq. Several times he's changed his mind. He said the surge was a failure and we need to get out and send the troops home in March. He said he had to meet with the Joint Chiefs of Staff first. The surge worked but only because Sunni and Shiite tribal leaders had an epiphany. The surge worked in Iraq and we should redeploy the troops to Afghanistan. He has also claimed Malaki agreed with his initial idea of pulling out in defeat most recently, therefore he is right, even though Malaki wants us to pull out in victory, contradicting Obama's message. So much flip-flopping, so little time.
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Post by Grimmjow of the Funk on Aug 2, 2008 12:48:28 GMT -5
eyah bu that isn't flip-flopping that isnt a complete trunaround. that is tweaking his opinion because of new information. he still wants the troops to get out of iraq and he still is pro-choice. DC gun ban good for him i don't think guns should be banned. McCain flip completley from being against torture to for torture. went from looking for immigration reform to putting up the wall. McCain went from voting against tax cuts to voting for tax cuts. that is flip flopping as a republican i thought you would be more familiar with the word seeing as what you did to John Kerry in 2004.
another thing on McCain one of his campaign managers said the public is whining to much about the economy. well shouldn't we be we are in a recession aren't we. yet McCain continues to deny that. out of all the republicans McCain used to be the one i respected the most but after what he has been saying recently i am ashamed.
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