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Post by CountessRachel on Jul 31, 2008 0:36:49 GMT -5
Personaly i think the asain countries are currently through a process of industrialisation wich is in some way similar to the industrial revolution in europe of the 1850's. in that time, most of the wealth was in hand of a small part of the population. During that time around the start of 20th century the underclass of poor factory workers started to revolt against the social unequelity. Under pressure of social uproar and upcomming communism manay european countries passed social laws that bettered the social position of the poor and distributed the wealth more equally amongst the population. It's not unthinkeble that such events might occure in india and China. Where I can see how that could be true, I think that the two countries are extremely different in that-- A: the populations are substantially larger than the populations of the early 20th century America and B: The gaps between the poor in Asia/India are MUCH greater than the gaps between rich and poor at the era in question. Which would lead me to believe that there's a far greater supply of workers who would be willing to forgo some basic rights and better conditions in order to put food on the table. Keep in mind Asian mentality of work and provision might differ from that of Europeans several decades ago. Perhaps... But if it's not us, then someone else will definitely pick up the torch.
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Post by Munchkinator on Aug 2, 2008 3:29:53 GMT -5
determination of the people? phleaze Americans are the most apathetic misinformed sheeple out there. The children of other country hunger for education to better themselves and their country... We dont see the significance of what we "learn" because we feel so cozy in out safe isolated bubble... or at least that is the illusion. I lol'd. So, shut up for a second. Think about what you're saying. Try using logic to carry out points, not vague crap and OMG AMERICA SUCKZ claims. Show me WHY Americans are apathetic in general. Prove it. I want to see hard logic, debatable points, and cold facts; whatever floats your boat. Just, none of these vague claims backed by inexistent logic, or your points will be ignored and will continue to be exactly what they are: Logical Fallacies. stereotypical people is sterotypical.
Try not to come off as rude or abrasive, please. When expressing your disagreement, please be as respectful as possible.
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Post by madfoot713 on Aug 4, 2008 19:15:40 GMT -5
determination of the people? phleaze Americans are the most apathetic misinformed sheeple out there. The children of other country hunger for education to better themselves and their country... We dont see the significance of what we "learn" because we feel so cozy in out safe isolated bubble... or at least that is the illusion. I lol'd. So, shut up for a second. Think about what you're saying. Try using logic to carry out points, not vague crap and OMG AMERICA SUCKZ claims. Show me WHY Americans are apathetic in general. Prove it. I want to see hard logic, debatable points, and cold facts; whatever floats your boat. Just, none of these vague claims backed by inexistent logic, or your points will be ignored and will continue to be exactly what they are: Logical Fallacies. stereotypical people is sterotypical. Um, what? So what, you think the majority of Americans aren't uneducated, self-centered sheeple who'll gobble up the most outrageous story told to them? People who care more about HDTV than protecting their rights, people who lack common sense? I could link you to over a hundred stories about stupid Americans, and the sad truth is they're symbolic of the average American, though not you or me. The situation isn't exclusive to America, either; most human beings are idiots. We shouldn't have to waste time proving something most people are already aware of.
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Post by Turbo on Aug 4, 2008 19:20:08 GMT -5
I agree with the people who said this should be trashed. America maybe sorta making some mistakes, but so does every other country. America wont fall, but of course other countries will rise, like someone said before, industry in Asia is booming. Duh, grab the closest thing near you and where does it say it was made? China. Pow.
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Post by Munchkinator on Aug 4, 2008 19:25:52 GMT -5
I lol'd. So, shut up for a second. Think about what you're saying. Try using logic to carry out points, not vague crap and OMG AMERICA SUCKZ claims. Show me WHY Americans are apathetic in general. Prove it. I want to see hard logic, debatable points, and cold facts; whatever floats your boat. Just, none of these vague claims backed by inexistent logic, or your points will be ignored and will continue to be exactly what they are: Logical Fallacies. stereotypical people is sterotypical. Um, what? So what, you think the majority of Americans aren't uneducated, self-centered sheeple who'll gobble up the most outrageous story told to them? People who care more about HDTV than protecting their rights, people who lack common sense? I could link you to over a hundred stories about stupid Americans, and the sad truth is they're symbolic of the average American, though not you or me. The situation isn't exclusive to America, either; most human beings are idiots. We shouldn't have to waste time proving something most people are already aware of. Did I say the majority of us aren't fools? No, I don't recall doing so. What I did say is that I'm sick and tired of people claiming things in a manner that resembles 'LOL YOU SUCK. PERIOD.' I'm well aware of our current status as a people; and honestly, I sure as hell am disappointed, and I do agree with what you are saying. They do lack common sense. Unfortunately, some people do put HDTV over the rights that they should hold on to dearly. However, as I've stated, he held no logic whatsoever over his claim. He's failed to prove himself in the smallest manner, and that is why I'm angered. If you plan on attacking something, at least know what, or show us that you know what you're talking about.
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Post by madfoot713 on Aug 4, 2008 19:27:45 GMT -5
I dunno if I said this yet, but I have kind of wondered about the topic though, in terms of America falling. It's probably paranoia, but still. The conclusion I came to was that I wouldn't be surprised if there were a civil war sometime in the future, a matter of decades or such. I don't -think- it will happen, but it seems like a lot of people have this notion there's something "wrong" with this country, combined with the failing economy and such... so I don't know. :/ Other than that, I could see the nation going Orwellian.
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Post by madfoot713 on Aug 4, 2008 19:39:46 GMT -5
(Note to the mods: sorry about the double post. I didn't see Zero's post until after my previous one, so I don't see any better way of doing this. I don't know if editing bumps threads :/) Did I say the majority of us aren't fools? No, I don't recall doing so. What I did say is that I'm sick and tired of people claiming things in a manner that resembles 'LOL YOU SUCK. PERIOD.' I'm well aware of our current status as a people; and honestly, I sure as hell am disappointed, and I do agree with what you are saying. They do lack common sense. Unfortunately, some people do put HDTV over the rights that they should hold on to dearly. However, as I've stated, he held no logic whatsoever over his claim. He's failed to prove himself in the smallest manner, and that is why I'm angered. If you plan on attacking something, at least know what, or show us that you know what you're talking about. The name of the topic title is "Fall of America". It's not exactly a logical debate. <_< Meh, I guess I did miss the point of your post :/. So... I dunno. I lost my train of thought <_<. Just, strict adherence of logic doesn't seem like it's a requirement in this place. It's not like he was using a strawman argument.
Don't double post. Especially when your posts are so close together time-wise. If you want to add something, just use the "modify" button.
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Post by Turbo on Aug 4, 2008 19:50:09 GMT -5
Our world would be much better if it was like the world of Avatar. Instead of like 100 countries, just four, but in our case it'd be probably three. The Americas, Europe/Asia/Africa, and Australia. Probably less debates and fighting.
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Post by madfoot713 on Aug 4, 2008 20:30:22 GMT -5
Our world would be much better if it was like the world of Avatar. Instead of like 100 countries, just four, but in our case it'd be probably three. The Americas, Europe/Asia/Africa, and Australia. Probably less debates and fighting. That's sounds just like 1984. So no. <_< Besides, this would just mean bigger, more bureaucratic governments. So, I don't think so. :/
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Post by Princess Azula on Aug 4, 2008 23:55:01 GMT -5
It's worth pointing out several things, madfoot:
I. Anecdotal evidence is a contradiction in terms. You could come up with one hundred examples, a thousand examples, even a million examples and you would still fail to describe even one percent of all Americans. It is impossible to extend your personal experience in a generalization about an entire nation. It doesn't work, no matter how insistent you are.
II. This isn't the guns or butter economic model. There is no dichtomy between HDTVs and civil rights--it's a false dilemma, especially because they aren't even related on any sort of continuum. You could even make some chart comparing the prevalence to HDTVs to rights in America, and it'd be like that joke chart relating global mean temperatures with the amount of pirates still around.
III. The term 'bureaucracy' should not, in itself, be used pejoratively. A bureaucracy is simply a system where tasks are devolved and delegated to civil servants. Some of the best governments on Earth (the ancient Roman Imperial and ancient Chinese Imperial systems in particular) were bureaucracies, as were some of the worst. A bureaucracy on its own is not damning.
The biggest issue with world government is not the nature of the government, but the nature of the people. Ethnic groups already have power struggles in nation-states as it is--it would be worse in monolithic supranational entitites.
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Post by GROOONK'D on Aug 5, 2008 0:30:15 GMT -5
I haven't read this topic yet because really, I don't need too.
OP, you really don't have a clue what happened in the situation of the Soviet Union do you?
America is fine.
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Post by Munchkinator on Aug 5, 2008 1:05:31 GMT -5
Did Azula win yet, or...?
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Post by Gran Gran on Aug 5, 2008 11:34:27 GMT -5
can we be a bit less spammy please?
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