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Post by almighty on Apr 2, 2006 1:52:55 GMT -5
Thanks for the clearing up. ;D
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Post by storybookgirl on Apr 2, 2006 3:28:24 GMT -5
So, if we're a member of the court, do we just wait until the evidence if presented here, or can we visit the War Rooms and such, just not really partake in the debates and such? Can we just see what's going on there? Should I quit my job as Ambassador? I know I'm not the ambassador for the supremem court, but would it be okay to still be ambassador between teh war rooms?
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Post by snowthewerewolf on Apr 2, 2006 19:58:22 GMT -5
When are we actually gonna start debating stuff, etc.
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Post by babbs on Apr 2, 2006 20:01:51 GMT -5
@ storybookgirl: There's no harm in watching what's going on in the war rooms. As long as you don't participate. And about the ambassador thing, I suggest PMing cami. @ snowthewerewolf: We already have a case, and the 3 armies are already compiling their evidence in their own war rooms. They will present each of their stuff tomorrow, and the judges will reach a verdict on Wednesday.
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Post by kaangluv on Apr 3, 2006 16:04:41 GMT -5
Hi all.. The Kataang War Room presents our case on "Powerful Bender." I hope it's all right, but it's more pointed towards who is the powerful bender rather than Zuko. It's not right to have it just about him. Even if he is hot. Aunt Wu says that Katara will marry a powerful bender. However, what I think Aunt Wu meant was more powerful than Katara. Technically, Zuko and Katara are pretty much even. We can see that as evident in the Seige of the north when Katara and Zuko spent and entire scene fighting without so much as any evident victor until their "moon" and "sun" appeared. Yes, Katara is a master. However, she's only 14. She has only learned the basics of becoming a potential master and she'll definitely improve her bending throughout her life time. Zuko, however, isn't a master. His sister is able to bend lightning while he can't. He has far to go until he actually becomes one. In the end, when Zuko finally masters firebending and Katara improves more on her waterbending techniques, the two will pretty much be an equal match.
Although some may argue that Zuko defeated Zhao in the agni kai, Zhao isn't a proficient firebender. Chances are, he moved up in rank quickly due to his harsh manner and high charisma. We know that Zhao isn't a good firebender because he left Jeong Jeong who clearly said that Zhao doesn't have full control over his bending. Fire is a powerful bending art in which all the fire conjured can easily spread, but it cannot be taken back. Zhao cannot bend fire to its full potential. Iroh easily defeated Zhao without breaking a sweat. We know that Iroh is a master and he easily defeated Zhao in less than 10 seconds. Zuko fought with all his might and came really close to almost losing the match. If he was indeed a powerful bender, he would've beaten Zhao in the same amount of time that Iroh had.
Also, Aang can be considered a powerful bender. He is the avatar, the master of all four elements and he'll definitely be more powerful than Katara in the end. Aang is a powerful bender in the sense that he has great defense, and great offense as well. He can protect and fight evenly enough. Airbending really stands out for protection to me, but the Avatar State as well. And mastering all the elements should be nice offense. He wouldn't let the Fire Nation do something that could endanger dozens of people. He made a promise to 'make a difference this time' and I'll bet he'll do it too. All people of the four elements need him as guidance. Although there's royalty in the Water Tribe, Fire Nation, and Earth Kingdom, the Avatar maintains the balance between them and would step in when he/she must. That's pretty powerful, I have to say. Like a pillar, or support beam, the Avatar is their to hold it steady if it is about to crumble.
If we want to interpret it a different version of the word "powerful" as in rank, it'll still fall to Aang. If Zuko were to ever hold position as Fire Lord, he'll be considered powerful among the Fire nation. However, the other nations will not follow Zuko; they will follow their own respective leader which can therefore lead to many "powerful" benders in ranks. But, if we were to look into it further, Aang holds the most powerful position as Avatar. All nations respect and follow the Avatar for he is the only person who can maintain peace and stability. World leaders are afraid of him because he holds the highest position in the Avatar-verse.
Basically, if powerful were to be interpreted from both ways as physically strong and highly ranked, Aang would win both sides. He is the Avatar which makes him have the highest rank in the land for all nations will listen to him, but not all nations would listen to Zuko. Again, Aang is the Avatar which would make him the master of all four elements. Zuko can only have the potential of becoming a firebending master, however, Katara has the potential of developing her abilities as a waterbending master. ;D EDIT: Sorry, but I've been gone for a few days. (Dumb house guests.. ) Anyway, do the ambassadors just present the information, or are they allowed to counter as well? They're like spokespeople, right?
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Post by storybookgirl on Apr 3, 2006 19:04:42 GMT -5
I think you counter it in your own war room so that you make sure there are no holes in it. You should make sure that none or little can be said against it before presenting anything. The court will debate it and make a final decision.
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Post by avatarfan on Apr 3, 2006 20:56:51 GMT -5
sooo can i debate
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Post by gambitia on Apr 3, 2006 21:04:05 GMT -5
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Post by Alleluia on Apr 3, 2006 21:08:41 GMT -5
Just to clarify, we are supposed to debate and argue for the question that is actually given, right? Because that is what we have been doing in our thread.
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Post by gambitia on Apr 3, 2006 21:20:44 GMT -5
Just to clarify, we are supposed to debate and argue for the question that is actually given, right? Because that is what we have been doing in our thread. I thought that was what was supposed to happen. But I think some people (myself included) instantly read "Is Zuko a powerful bender," flashed to Aunt Wu's prophecy, and the potential Zutara. Because that's really kind of what we're asking here.
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Post by Alleluia on Apr 3, 2006 21:34:54 GMT -5
But those are two completely different things. If we are supposed to really be argueing "Is Zuko the bender aunt Wu was talking about?", it would have been stated that way, wouldn't it? I am not asking this to be snarky or anything, but the Zutarian War Room argument is geared toward the question that was asked, not toward where the Kataang War Room has taken it. We are effectivly arguing about two different things, which is going to make judging our arguments difficult, if not impossible.
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Post by almighty on Apr 3, 2006 21:39:33 GMT -5
But those are two completely different things. If we are supposed to really be argueing "Is Zuko the bender aunt Wu was talking about?", it would have been stated that way, wouldn't it? I am not asking this to be snarky or anything, but the Zutarian War Room argument is geared toward the question that was asked, not toward where the Kataang War Room has taken it. We are effectivly arguing about two different things, which is going to make judging our arguments difficult, if not impossible. What do you want us to do... change our answers? Also, Zuko being a "powerful" bender has been answered in our statement.
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Post by gambitia on Apr 3, 2006 21:45:38 GMT -5
But those are two completely different things. If we are supposed to really be argueing "Is Zuko the bender aunt Wu was talking about?", it would have been stated that way, wouldn't it? I am not asking this to be snarky or anything, but the Zutarian War Room argument is geared toward the question that was asked, not toward where the Kataang War Room has taken it. We are effectivly arguing about two different things, which is going to make judging our arguments difficult, if not impossible. Let the judges decide for the judging. We'll manage (I hope). If I were you, I'd add some more to counter the Kataang's allegations. You still have some time to put something together. Or just submit as is; us judges are supposed to be judging solely on "Is Zuko a powerful bender" not whether Aang is a stronger bender than Zuko (which shouldn't even be up for debate, as it's so painfully obvious)
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Post by laladoink on Apr 3, 2006 21:47:09 GMT -5
^Youkai will post our info when she gets on
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Post by Alleluia on Apr 3, 2006 21:55:25 GMT -5
^Youkai will post our info when she gets on What she said. lol Beat me to it.
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