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Post by Blind Bandit on May 2, 2008 23:55:53 GMT -5
Digital Rights Management is right now ingrained in our digital content (music downloads, DVDs, Cd's, video / movie downloads and more. What dose everyone think about this?
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Post by CountessRachel on May 3, 2008 1:07:33 GMT -5
I think the same thing with Digital Rights as I do with music, and some forms of petty theft.
If the person or entity you are "stealing from" gets their millions in the end regardless of my actions, then there's no such thing as copyright infringement or stealing, or what have you. But if the programmer or creator needs the money, then I'll be more than happy to spend it.
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Post by Chaobunny on May 3, 2008 13:19:27 GMT -5
I don't agree with putting copy protection on DVDs, music, etc.
As an AMV maker, I come across this a lot. Youtube is always cracking down on AMVs for "copyright infringement," which I disagree with entirely. My opinion is this: If I buy the DVD or the song, I have every right to use it in whichever way I please. If I want to make AMVs, I feel that is my right because I bought the resources used to make them.
It's another matter entirely if people are duplicating the movies or music to make a profit. In that case, it is wrong. But most people who download things are only getting them for personally use, not for any money.
And that article is absolutely right. I've found ways to get around every obstacle, including copy protection on DVDs and protected music. I don't feel bad doing it, because I don't think I'm doing anything wrong.
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Post by mikael on May 3, 2008 16:25:51 GMT -5
Honestly, at this point, most people don't really care about cracking things like this. It's either: Shell out another $10 for the album, or just torrent the broken version; buy the DVD, or watch the streaming version online; etc.
Honestly, the majority of people are tech retards and haven't bothered trying to learn to set their VCR timer for 20 years. The amount of money they're losing is minimal, so I'm not sure why they even bother with DRM anymore.
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Post by Consonant*** on May 5, 2008 20:24:45 GMT -5
The only people who won't (And can) buy music after downloading it illegally wouldn't have bought it anyway. It's a stupid idea that just loses customers.
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Post by Lil' Cheney on Jun 17, 2008 11:27:55 GMT -5
DRM is a platform microsoft has replaced constantly with each program that is able to crack it. Granted, somtimes the new version takes up to a year to release, but people are always going to find a way to reverse engineer it. If there is a way to decode it, and there has to be, otherwise the point is lost, then there is a way to crack it.
Think of it in these terms; I buy a smal safe to go under my bed to hold excess money. It uses a keypad lock. I know the code, but you don't. You break into my room while I'm hypnotised by Wii Sports, and still don't know what the code is.
From here, there are multiple ways for you to sill get into the safe.
1. Try each possible code one at a time 2. Break into the safe by physical means 3. Somehow trick the safe into opening with some external device 4. Waiting for me to open the safe, with a camera set on the keypad. You later replay the video and know the code
The DRM equivelent to these would be
1. Try each possible license one at a time (Very inefficient) 2. Use a program to crack the DRM 3. With a valid license, open the file, then replace the file with an unprotected version 4. Playback the file, and record it
The fourth one cannot be covered by any means, becasue somehow, the file has to be heard, and if it can be heard, it can be recorded.
If Windows Media only needs a licence, which acts like a key, then there is a way to "lockpick" your file. The only way to make this unfeasable is to maek the encryption set more and more complex, and eventually, it just takes up space.
Sure, one person illegally downloading music does not matter, but millions do it. Millions use limewire for this purpose. Millons use software to parrel playback the music on a friends computer. Millions purchase the album, copy the disk, then return the CD. Thats millions and mllions of dollars.
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Post by CountessRachel on Jun 18, 2008 3:04:06 GMT -5
I didn't think most stores allowed you to return a CD once it's been opened unless it was seriously defected or flawed. And while it is millions of dollars, somewhere along the way, the big wig record labels, artists, production and promotion teams still get their fat, juicy cut.
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Post by Ignite on Jun 18, 2008 4:25:19 GMT -5
I didn't think most stores allowed you to return a CD once it's been opened unless it was seriously defected or flawed. And while it is millions of dollars, somewhere along the way, the big wig record labels, artists, production and promotion teams still get their fat, juicy cut. That's true. But what I think could well be the biggest problem with downloading music is not so much that the major music companies and there artists aren't getting enough money. But that smaller not well known artists will be hit the hardest. It's just not very lucrative to be a beginning/small artist as it is, and with people having the option of downloading music, it's now even more difficult to make a living out of it or to break through in the music business.
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Post by o8jedi on Jun 18, 2008 10:42:41 GMT -5
Artists themselves get paid diddly squat from record sales. It is more lucrative to be a songwriter than a musician, which is why so many bands write their own material. Songwriters are guaranteed royalties from exhibition of their work through broadcast, sales, and (ideally) performance by law. All musicians get a pat on the back, despite the fact that it is their face out there making "Song X" popular. The United States is the only country in the Western World that treats their musicians this way. The only way to be successful as a musician is to be in performance (e.g., touring) and that is what most local bands do. If they do get a major contract and strike it rich, even better. If anything, things like MySpace and P2P is making it easier for musicians to become successful because it allows for an audience to view their work that was previously unavailable.
As for "returning CDs," the original customers are not getting a full refund when they do that. Many record stores will take used CDs because it allows them to sell content without ordering a whole slew of copies. The most customers will recieve is somewhere around 60% of the resale value in store credit.
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Post by CountessRachel on Jun 19, 2008 0:56:04 GMT -5
I didn't think most stores allowed you to return a CD once it's been opened unless it was seriously defected or flawed. And while it is millions of dollars, somewhere along the way, the big wig record labels, artists, production and promotion teams still get their fat, juicy cut. That's true. But what I think could well be the biggest problem with downloading music is not so much that the major music companies and there artists aren't getting enough money. But that smaller not well known artists will be hit the hardest. It's just not very lucrative to be a beginning/small artist as it is, and with people having the option of downloading music, it's now even more difficult to make a living out of it or to break through in the music business. That's the only exception I'll make against downloading music. But personally, I'll actually go out and purchase music and files that I know for a fact the creator or artist needs. However, these artists that sing and rap about all this wealth they have or show off their junk on Mtv Cribs or have pictures wearing designer stuff? I feel that my money would just burden them with the task of trying to decide what other frivolous trinkets to splurge on...so I do them the generous favor of saving my money and using limewire/friend's files instead. And company software I'm definitely not buying. Microsoft is not gonna miss my $300 dollars if I use a friend's copy of Office2007. When Bill Gates files bankruptcy and moves into a regular one or two-story house like the rest of middle-class America, then I'll pay for his products. [/rant]
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Post by Lil' Cheney on Jun 19, 2008 7:06:02 GMT -5
Many people change thier feelings about DRM based on what they are doing.
When they hear about a bunch of teens illegally downloading music, they hope DRM was able to thwart some of thier attempts.
When you are trying to do the same, you hate DRM.
I think DRM has a lot more in store than what it currently has. DRM should start becomming attached to a MAC address, and not an account, or anything else. The file will play on X amount of compuers, here they are, and thats final!
But again, there will always be a way around it. Always. You cannot seal it completley without keeping the intended user from playing it legally.
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Post by madfoot713 on Jul 20, 2008 1:25:41 GMT -5
When they hear about a bunch of teens illegally downloading music, they hope DRM was able to thwart some of thier attempts. really? I don't. No, DRM should be completely abolished. DRM has always been an extreme hassle to the consumer; it pisses them off and loses customers and thus instigates priacy. Example? I got Crysis a while back and tried to install it on my brand new top-of-the-line Vista gaming rig. I tried for a week before I finally got it working. If I had the balls to do it, I would have given up and torrented it. This probably more of a "Vista sucks" case rather than fault of the DRM itself, but honestly, what good did DRM do? I had no intention of ripping the game from the CD, but someone who did would have been able to do it no sweat.
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Post by Consonant*** on Jul 20, 2008 11:07:23 GMT -5
I think DRM has a lot more in store than what it currently has. DRM should start becomming attached to a MAC address, and not an account, or anything else. The file will play on X amount of compuers, here they are, and thats final! Because god forbid you own multile computers or have to get one reformated.
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