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Post by kibitzertriplet on Apr 28, 2008 22:23:59 GMT -5
First off, I posted this in the wrong section... So, here I'll go again. I think that Iroh is the reincarnation of Monk Giatsu. ...Think about it for a second before completely throwing this out the window... Both have a light-hearted and almost joking nature; both are very wise and lead their loved-ones towards the right path. Both have a love for pai-sho. Plus, there is the ever-present yet unexplained idea that Iroh traveled to the spirit world. Remember way back when, during the first book, when he sees Aang astral projecting? I think there's a correlation here? Anyone else??
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Post by david on Apr 28, 2008 22:47:56 GMT -5
Um... I don't know what to think of it. It's almost as if you are acomodating the facts to fit your theory (hypothesis?). There's no way to prove it, unless it is explained in the show, or revealed by comics or interviews. I thought about it for a second, and while I'm not going to throw this out of the window, I'm just going to leave it there and see what others do with it.
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Post by admirality on Apr 29, 2008 10:37:33 GMT -5
I see where ur coming from... Iroh and Gyatsu do seem rather similar in many ways but It wud seem a little contrived if Iroh were Gyatsu's reincarnation....... hmmmmm but It's an interesting idea
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Post by spirityue on Apr 29, 2008 11:26:00 GMT -5
I agree that this is an interesting theory, and I completely understand why you would think this a possibility. I'm not so sure though. I had quite another theory of who was Monk Gyatso's reincarnation. I know probably everyone who reads this will LOL for real, but I've often wondered if Momo was actually the incarnation of Gyatso. Think about it for a second if you will, when Aang found him, he was the only living thing at the air temple, and he appears to be the only lemur left as well, even though he was not with Aang when he encased himself in the ice. That would mean that Momo would have to be over a hundred years old as well, but I don't think so. Also, remember Bumi saying that Aang will need Momo too? He does seem to be very inteligent for being a lemur also. I really don't think that Iroh is connected to Gyatso, remember that at one point, he was "The Dragon of the West", if he was connected to the monk at all, he would not have been able to be that ruthless. Even though Iroh's nature now is peaceful and kind, it wasn't always that way though. He was at one point, a very respected general in the fire nation army. I can't see a monk having connection with that at all. Just my take on this theory.
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Post by kibitzertriplet on Apr 29, 2008 12:00:12 GMT -5
I agree that this is an interesting theory, and I completely understand why you would think this a possibility. I'm not so sure though. I had quite another theory of who was Monk Gyatso's reincarnation. I know probably everyone who reads this will LOL for real, but I've often wondered if Momo was actually the incarnation of Gyatso. Think about it for a second if you will, when Aang found him, he was the only living thing at the air temple, and he appears to be the only lemur left as well, even though he was not with Aang when he encased himself in the ice. That would mean that Momo would have to be over a hundred years old as well, but I don't think so. Also, remember Bumi saying that Aang will need Momo too? He does seem to be very inteligent for being a lemur also. I really don't think that Iroh is connected to Gyatso, remember that at one point, he was "The Dragon of the West", if he was connected to the monk at all, he would not have been able to be that ruthless. Even though Iroh's nature now is peaceful and kind, it wasn't always that way though. He was at one point, a very respected general in the fire nation army. I can't see a monk having connection with that at all. Just my take on this theory. I can see where your coming from, with the Momo theory. It does raise a lot of interesting questions. I'd never thought about how old he is. I'm not sure I agree with him being Giatsu, but it is a creative thought. And as a side note, Iroh's ruthlessness in his current life has nothing to do with his last life. What was important is he had the wisdom and the nature to admit that it was the wrong life. And he was called "The Dragon of the West" because he allegedly killed a dragon, but it is revealed in "Firebending Masters" that that is not the case. I don't want to reveal anything because I'm not sure if you've seen it yet.
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Post by spirityue on Apr 29, 2008 12:13:44 GMT -5
Actually, I haven't seen it yet. The last epi's that I saw were the Dobs and Invasion. I promised my kid I wouldn't watch them until we could do it together. (It's our thing) Anyhoo, yeah, I admit the theorys I have about Momo are pretty out there, but my 9 year old son is actually the one who got me thinking about it. Very good point btw about the past lives of Iroh not having anything to do with his present self. I'm gonna ponder this a bit more and bring it up to my son. We love to theorize together about anything Avatar related, and Iroh is one of both our favorite characters.
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Post by kibitzertriplet on Apr 29, 2008 16:08:07 GMT -5
Actually, I haven't seen it yet. The last epi's that I saw were the Dobs and Invasion. I promised my kid I wouldn't watch them until we could do it together. (It's our thing) Anyhoo, yeah, I admit the theorys I have about Momo are pretty out there, but my 9 year old son is actually the one who got me thinking about it. Very good point btw about the past lives of Iroh not having anything to do with his present self. I'm gonna ponder this a bit more and bring it up to my son. We love to theorize together about anything Avatar related, and Iroh is one of both our favorite characters. Iroh is one of my favorite characters, too. I'd love to ask one of the creators about these theories without fear of getting raised eyebrows.
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Post by manzai on Apr 29, 2008 21:21:03 GMT -5
I remember like a year or so ago that Momo being Gyatso's reincarnation was a popular theory.
As for Iroh being Gyato, it's interestin and plausible, but it is kind of contrived. You only have their personality traits as support, and there must be more than two people in the world who are wise with a fun-loving side.
Then again, they do have to resolve the question of Iroh's journey to the spirit world somehow.
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Post by textbender on Apr 29, 2008 22:01:02 GMT -5
B & M talk about the Gyatso/Momo reincarnation in an interview. I think they say that's not the case. Must be a big theory if it made it to their ears and in an interview! But Aang's interaction with Iroh in COD makes him into a bit of a mentor, like Gyatso. But there was another theory, that Gyatso may have been a member of the Lotus society (also brought up in the interview). So while Iroh may not be his reincarnation, they may be spiritual brothers.
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Post by kibitzertriplet on Apr 29, 2008 23:21:16 GMT -5
B & M talk about the Gyatso/Momo reincarnation in an interview. I think they say that's not the case. Must be a big theory if it made it to their ears and in an interview! But Aang's interaction with Iroh in COD makes him into a bit of a mentor, like Gyatso. But there was another theory, that Gyatso may have been a member of the Lotus society (also brought up in the interview). So while Iroh may not be his reincarnation, they may be spiritual brothers. That's an interesting thought. To me, their patterns of thought seem similiar, but that could just be the White Lotus way. They also have a similiar way of moving. When I watched The Storm episode, it was initially seeing Gyatso sitting a certain way in front of the Pai-Sho board that made me theorize all this.
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Post by spirityue on May 2, 2008 17:00:21 GMT -5
Wow! I never thought that the Momo/Gyatso incarnation theory would be that big! Hmm, guess I'm not that much of a weirdo after all! LOL
I do like the theory that Gyatso was a member of the WLS though, that would be very interesting to see how that could play out.
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Post by ƒelinoel on Jun 24, 2008 10:35:36 GMT -5
I was mildly sure only the Avatar reincarnated, isn't that the case?
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Post by ILZ on Jun 24, 2008 14:58:46 GMT -5
^You can delete posts yourself. The delete button is located in the upper right corner of your post.
As for the theory I believe that the similarities between Iroh and Gyatso have more to do with the creators trying to show the similarities between Aang and Zuko. I was also under the impression that only the Avatar was reincarnated.
I do think that Gyatso was probably a member of the White Lotus society though.
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Post by ƒelinoel on Jun 25, 2008 18:00:36 GMT -5
^You can delete posts yourself. The delete button is located in the upper right corner of your post. As for the theory I believe that the similarities between Iroh and Gyatso have more to do with the creators trying to show the similarities between Aang and Zuko. I was also under the impression that only the Avatar was reincarnated. I do think that Gyatso was probably a member of the White Lotus society though. Thanks for that, lol I'm new here, and yes, seeing as he seemed to favor the White Lotus tile when playing Pai Sho, I too think he was a member of OWL
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Post by ~*~WhItEsHeEp~*~ on Jul 2, 2008 18:26:13 GMT -5
ummm am not sure, we defently know more abut iroh than "whats his name" so you really cant be too sure plus i think only the avatar can be born againg. and even if it were true the cycle is: Water, Earth, Fire, Air. so even if "whats his name" was reincarinted he would be a water bender not a fire bender.
excuse my lazzyness of not seeing how to spell that guys name and my bad spelling over all
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