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Post by textbender on Apr 28, 2008 7:01:23 GMT -5
Thanks for the link Psylum. But by saying I am overanalyzing, you are skirting a direct answer, yes or no: when they say "some tension" do they mean "bad blood tension" or "romantic tension." There isn't a romance between Katara and Zuko, we agree on that. But there is/will be/was "some romantic tension" that was never meant to become as big as it got, but that nevertheless was there, just a tiny bit. Admit it, Psylum. Just a tiny bit, eh? Can you give that much? Do you see the authors saying it?
Going to check out the thread.
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Post by oceanangel on Apr 28, 2008 7:04:37 GMT -5
KONIETZKO: I think we've met some people where when he has her necklace in episode 109, people were like, "Oh, they're going to get together." (laughs) We were like, "Whoa! You guys are jumping ahead!" But, whatever...people see what they want to see.
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Going back to Zenjamin's point that this interview was not in any way scripted, I think the last two lines are suspicious.. it seems like Bryan realized he gave away too much when he said "jumping ahead" then quickly covered it up with a "whatever".. dunno, but that's just the way it came out to me. Anyways, those last 2 sentences really hinted Zutara, but even tho i'm a HUGE zutara fan, i don't think there's much time to develop a zutara relation now.. T_T sad..but gotta face the reality LOL but still, i have a feeling that Bryan let something slip^^ Kataang still hasn't grabbed me yet...I just don't get the whole MONK thing! haha
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Post by textbender on Apr 28, 2008 7:08:07 GMT -5
Wait, I already saw that post. I thought that when the poster said she liked the kiss, and Bryan said they are great together, they were talking about Aang and Katara, not about Mai and Zuko. Or is it the thing about Volpe commenting? Where can I find that comment? Wait, I think I remember seeing a Volpe interview somewhere. Going to find out.
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Post by psylum on Apr 28, 2008 7:10:46 GMT -5
To be perfectly honest I can't say that there will never be any romantic tension between them in the future, by the simle idea that you can not disprove a negitive.
As for there being romantic tension for Zutara now as of the current episodes, I can confindently say no, there is not.
Has there been romantic tension between them in the past? I have to say no to this as well, there was genuine antagonism, and then pity in CoD, nothing romantic though.
I can say I'm reasonably certain that there will be no romantic tension between Zuko and Katara, based on what they've said in other interviews. The main reason I think your overexamining is because your interpretation does not gel at all with past interveiws.(Zutara being comparted to Appa and Momo, Kataang being in the DNA, Mai and Zuko being great together.)
There is of course a small chance you're right, but it's really not likely at all.
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Post by psylum on Apr 28, 2008 7:19:33 GMT -5
There's another thing. Mike and Bryan are not playing with us at all. People are fooling themselves, combing every last frame and twisting words for hints of Zutara. You know, seeing what they want to see.
Mike was certainly telling the truth about people jumping ahead, about 5 episodes ahead. The first episode with heavy romance was The Fortune Teller. Jet had some Minor romance in it, with Katara crushing on Jet, but that sort of changed when he turned out to be a bit crazy.
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Post by oceanangel on Apr 28, 2008 7:24:30 GMT -5
There's another thing. Mike and Bryan are not playing with us at all. People are fooling themselves, combing every last frame and twisting words for hints of Zutara. You know, seeing what they want to see. But you see, that's the fun of shipping! xD if ships were all so incredibly obvious, there would be no point in debating and shipping =D Personally, I'm not a fan of obvious ships that are made SO CLEAR ever since the beginning that they seem TOO obvious and become a bit boring, such as Kataang and Maiko...but i guess this is a show for little kids after all...
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Post by psylum on Apr 28, 2008 7:38:33 GMT -5
See, I guess that makes me wierd.(at least around these parts) I never go looking for ambigous hints of possible future relationships. I tend to be "meh" to relationships that aren't speaking to me.
Example: In Naruto, none of the relationships or even potential ones are sparking interest, outside of Asuma and Kurenai. (*eyewells for Asuma*) Same thing rang true with Harry Potter up until Harry/Ginny started making noise, and even then I was dissapointed with how it was presented and handled.
This isn't to say I don't speculate and examine possable foreshadowing, I just...try not to take things out of context. Like the NYCC trailer for example. I saw it and my first thought was "So Katara will stop hating and resenting Zuko's continued existence." It was only in hindsight that I remembered that people will take it out of context.
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Post by textbender on Apr 28, 2008 8:32:22 GMT -5
EDIT: I wrote a long message before I saw your above post, Psylum. So, I was saying that I feel like I'm talking to a wall, and went on for some time. But it makes no sense for me to keep the post now that I see that for you it's just about personal feeling here. So we were arguing about apples and oranges.
Bottom line of where I stand right now, based on what I see in the interviews (and reconsidering what is in the show): Kataang will happen, Maiko will happen. But there will be a small romantic tension Zutara moment (unless it has already happened; perhaps the crystal catacombs).
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Post by deana on Apr 28, 2008 12:18:11 GMT -5
I think it is funny that any of us presume to declare that we know what pairing will win in the end; not to mention arrogant. For all we know, one-half of our favorite couple could get turned into a toad spirit so the force can be one with Aang or something. I look at the situation with Yue and realize that the only thing certain with Mike and Bryan is nothing is certain.Mike and Bryan only "play" with the fans when it comes to Zutarians right? That pairing and its fandom is their playground. That is why they are yanking our chain with the trailer and with the chibi shorts. Oh lets not forget the hilarious 50% chance they gave us. Other pairings, they would not dare play with.
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Post by grecia on Apr 28, 2008 13:17:08 GMT -5
EDIT: I wrote a long message before I saw your above post, Psylum. So, I was saying that I feel like I'm talking to a wall, and went on for some time. But it makes no sense for me to keep the post now that I see that for you it's just about personal feeling here. So we were arguing about apples and oranges. Bottom line of where I stand right now, based on what I see in the interviews (and reconsidering what is in the show): Kataang will happen, Maiko will happen. But there will be a small romantic tension Zutara moment (unless it has already happened; perhaps the crystal catacombs). textbender: I read all this thread and I do not think you're talking to a wall xD I admire the people who "open their minds to possibilities" and what you do in a very honorable way, still being Zutarian opened your mind to Kataang and that's impressive!! I am very addicted to read to M & B in his interviews as well, and my perception is that they tend to opt for spiritual development, complex and deep characters, they have planned this series for 5 years, and through the show can be seen Mike and Bryan have developed and planned couples an extraordinary way until recent episodes, always with a reason of background, always for a cause, always a spiritual message to the viewer, and that I can see in the Kataang, Maiko and Sukka (or George or whatever xD) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ I love Kataang for its spirituality, its purity, its emotional complexity and depth has been developed with the DNA of the show, but I hope not allow the appearance of "shipping" in the show not ruined my taste for all other amazing aspect of the show ... The battles, the complexity in the characters, the wisdom in their messages, the twists of plot that involves a war, but especially its spirituality and philosophy ... Guys! this show is not only "shipping" , enjoy the show in its essence, shows as Avatar "The last Airbender" is only once in a lifetime.
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Post by noblebender on Apr 28, 2008 13:59:57 GMT -5
Regarding Mike and Bryan during interviews...here is a commentary from one of the DVDs (while browsing Mike and Bryan's viewpoints on Zutara I found this):
(Katara and Aang talking alone)
Mike: This is a very serious moment we're about to watch.
Bryan: This is gonna anger probably 50% of our fanbase.
Mike: It's true. The fans seem to be split on whether they want Aang or Zuko to end up with Katara.
Bryan: But if you watch carefully-...watch Katara's reaction. It's ambiguous. We don't know! We don't know what's going on.
Mike: So this, unlike the previous episode, this is the real deal, people.
(Aang and Katara kiss)
Bryan: No dream.
Mike: They really...they really kissed right here.
(Katara looks away after the kiss)
Bryan: You see? You see that little look to the side? What is she thinking? We don't know. Did she like it? Did she not like it? I don't know!
Sound Designer: You know, I gotta say, I'm in the Aang and Katara camp.
Bryan: Yeah, that's called Kataang.
Sound Designer: I'm-I'm with the Kataang.
Mike: Zutaras are fierce, though, I'll tell ya.
Bryan: They are fierce. Tenacious.
Mike: Fierce and passionate.
Sound Designer: (protesting) But...they're not supposed to be together!
(Mike and Bryan laugh)
Mike: That's what makes it so great!
(Bryan then quickly changed the subject to more sound design talk.)
In the ToonZone interview, they almost appeared pro-Kataang, but here they seemed to want to defend Zutara...what do you all think about that commentary? And forgive me if this has already been brought up.
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Post by tg on Apr 28, 2008 14:14:49 GMT -5
Personally, I'm not a fan of obvious ships that are made SO CLEAR ever since the beginning that they seem TOO obvious and become a bit boring, such as Kataang and Maiko...but i guess this is a show for little kids after all... I know for some people that obvious shipping can be a bit boring, but for others, obvious shipping can be an adventure. It is interesting when both characters aren't together yet. A lot of the times, the obvious ships follow the "hate each other's guts before they get to know each other better" formula. Shipping Ren and Kyoko (from the manga, SKIP BEAT) is pretty entertaining already. Sakura and Syaoran (from Cardcaptor Sakura) had a strong positive shipping fanbase. Then, there's also Najika and Daichi from Kitchen Princess. Oh yes, that reminds me of those fighting Fruits Basket (Furuba) shippers in which case, the "bad boy" got the girl. The Yukiru people were defeated. Then, there's Howl and Sophie from Howl's Moving Castle (novel version), the boy and girl from the Sabriel trilogy, and um....other obvious ships from books. This now reminds me of all that Harry Potter shipping too. That was a crazy time. ^__^ Some people just had to make up their own shipping even when it was clear as to what the author designated for her main characters. (All for the name of fun shipping. Hey, there's always fanfiction... >D) In the ToonZone interview, they almost appeared pro-Kataang, but here they seemed to want to defend Zutara...what do you all think about that commentary? And forgive me if this has already been brought up. It has been brought up already numerous times in this thread but that's alright. ^_^ M&B clearly have Kataang in mind but acknowledge the Zutarian fanbase being passionate about a pairing that isn't meant to be. That's why they find it entertaining. And I just find it entertaining to see both ships take a whack at each other. Kind of like that classic Rufftoon SW strip series.
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Post by taiyo *on limited hiatus* on Apr 28, 2008 14:31:35 GMT -5
tg: I totally agree. It just depends on the interaction between characters are. Like here I'm predominately a fanon shipper because I prefer the potential the characters have rather than what the creators are giving us (Taang/Zutara/other non canon ships) but for Cardcaptor Sakura/Tsubasa Reservoir Chronicles I'm a full blown Sakura/Syaoran shipper. Their relationship is just adorable to me, especially in Tsubasa Reservoir Chronicles About that comparing Zutara to Appa and Momo, I could've sworn I saw them say that to Katara and Aang too. On a commercial. This kid was asking, "Will Katara and Aang ever be more than friends" and they replied with that same answer this thread been saying for Zutara. Eh, it was an old commercial. Oh, and karma for posting her comic strip. X3 I don't blame Zhao. XD
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Post by frozenwind141 on Apr 28, 2008 14:33:14 GMT -5
No the answer they replied for Katara/Aang was: "You'll just have to wait and see..." noblebender: Also, you missed out the part in that commentary where one of the creators says he ships Kataang! That's pretty important... I can never tell who is who in the creators but one of them definitely says that he is on the Kataang side.
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Post by Ana on Apr 28, 2008 14:40:51 GMT -5
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