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Post by Grimmjow of the Funk on Aug 24, 2007 12:54:46 GMT -5
ohh his buddies really let him down he is porbably so ticked off at them.
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Post by attonbitus on Aug 24, 2007 13:05:40 GMT -5
i'm sure they had their own deals to testify against Vick too.
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Post by Lt. Dan on Aug 24, 2007 13:36:07 GMT -5
Well, it turns out that he is going to plead guilty to one charge of conspiracy. He is not pleading guilty to Federal dog fighting charges and illegal gambling. A gambling conviction is a mandatory ban from the NFL, according to their own rules. Actually, now, he is pleading guilty to funding and sponsoring dogfights as well as putting down the losers. sourceVick's worried about his precious $100 million contract and wants to keep it. If anything though, he needs to wisen up and start admitting to everything. If not, his "buddies" who know more than what Vick's letting on are going to sing for a reduced sentence. Thanks for the more recent source. What I don't understand, is if he was only "bankrolling' the gambling (haha *snort* lies...), isn't he in essence participating in the gambling? He is putting his money at risk... it's a gamble.
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Post by xzutaraxforeverx on Aug 24, 2007 17:14:54 GMT -5
If your kid wants to follow big athletes guys, let them. Not all guys are as idiodic as the ones you named. Look at some of hockey's biggest stars. None of them ended up doing things like this, they all ended up being really nice guys. Guys like Sidney Crosby or Wayne Gretzky or Daniel Briere. It's guys like that you want your kids to look up to, the big stars that actually care about their communities. Guys like Crosby, who helps local kids in Pittsburg with hockey camp or like Briere, who came back to Buffalo after being traded to help locak kids learn how to play. I think that, to an extent, people typically care more about athletes doing things like dogfighting rather than beating their wives. There are more places concerned with the welfare of animals than of humans. I think that we just need people to crack down on things like this, be it threating your wife or dogfighting. I think the NFL really needs to get it's act together after this incident. They should be harder on their players and they should try to prevent another incident like this from occuring. make no istake i love sidney corsby like i have a mna crush on him, however what about the guy who slashed his hockey stick at a guy's throat this year and tod bertuzzi? I will be honest, there are people that should get worse punishment for things they do. There are always things like this. Like Chris Simon for what he did to Ryan Hollweg toward the end of the season. It's just wrong. I guess what I'm saying is not all stars are the best role modles, but you should let your kids follow the ones you feel are best to let them follow. Anyway, that's off topic. I heard just a few minutes ago that Vick has been suspended indeffinately from the NFL.
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Post by Consonant*** on Aug 25, 2007 1:45:10 GMT -5
That last one is untrue. Dogfighting is not a sport, it's animal cruelty. I think he should get put behind bars for life, or at the very least banned from the NFL. It's a sport. Just because it's cruel doesn't mean it's not a sport. You guys obviously don't know much about Vick, do you? He was one of my favorite players in the NFL, and he wasn't a Terrel Owens bad mouth uhlan, he was a great guy. Why do you think Virginia Tech made a freakin Micheal Vick Hall? He wasn't a bad person, he just got in with the wrong people. Dogfighting is bad, yeah, but you guys are totally blowing this out of proportion.
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Post by Gran Gran on Aug 25, 2007 2:06:36 GMT -5
That last one is untrue. Dogfighting is not a sport, it's animal cruelty. I think he should get put behind bars for life, or at the very least banned from the NFL. It's a sport. Just because it's cruel doesn't mean it's not a sport. You guys obviously don't know much about Vick, do you? He was one of my favorite players in the NFL, and he wasn't a Terrel Owens bad mouth uhlan, he was a great guy. Why do you think Virginia Tech made a freakin Micheal Vick Hall? He wasn't a bad person, he just got in with the wrong people. Dogfighting is bad, yeah, but you guys are totally blowing this out of proportion. ? Blowing this out of proportion?! Oh my, let me see... It's wrong Unethical Cruel and oh, I forgot ILLEGAL!!! There is no excuse on earth for that. NONE!!!
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Post by Grimmjow of the Funk on Aug 25, 2007 7:36:05 GMT -5
i'm surprised you still like him after he flipped off the fans last year. yeah michael vick was a good athlete, and teh cheapest player in madden and he was an ok guy not a great one, but by being involved in this hos reputation has been ruined forever, maybe we are blowign thsi out of proportion, he going to jail for gambling on dogs that seems pretty ridiculous, even killing dogs maybe a year at most. i'm sorry i just don't see why the sentence should be greater than a year, its not like he harmed and people while doing this.
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Post by aangxchild on Aug 25, 2007 9:26:45 GMT -5
i'm surprised you still like him after he flipped off the fans last year. yeah michael vick was a good athlete, and teh cheapest player in madden and he was an ok guy not a great one, but by being involved in this hos reputation has been ruined forever, maybe we are blowign thsi out of proportion, he going to jail for gambling on dogs that seems pretty ridiculous, even killing dogs maybe a year at most. i'm sorry i just don't see why the sentence should be greater than a year, its not like he harmed and people while doing this. It's just animal cruelty charges, people are against firing dogs brains up so that they're mean, and then making them fight. I think thats wrong personally. If you kill a human you can be sentenced from twenty - life sentences. A dog still has feeling too, it may not be able to scream like a human, but it does feel pain, and that is murdering of animals on it's own behalf. So yeah I think more than a year is reasonable.
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Post by Grimmjow of the Funk on Aug 25, 2007 11:18:03 GMT -5
i think its personal biaism because there are so many dog lovers out there. well i personally think that pitbulls should be killed, they are to violent to be kept as pets so what else are they here for? to fight, if they weren't allowed to be pets no dogfighting.
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Post by aangxchild on Aug 25, 2007 11:40:11 GMT -5
i think its personal biaism because there are so many dog lovers out there. well i personally think that pitbulls should be killed, they are to violent to be kept as pets so what else are they here for? to fight, if they weren't allowed to be pets no dogfighting. Actually they were very friendly animals, but in time feeding an animal something that makes it mean passes down in it's genetics, pitbulls actually aren't violent dogs. No there wouldn't be dog fighting if some jerk offs would stop fueling the dogs fires. Seriously, it's not the dog, it's the humans, just like chicken fighting.
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Post by Gran Gran on Aug 25, 2007 14:41:05 GMT -5
i think its personal biaism because there are so many dog lovers out there. well i personally think that pitbulls should be killed, they are to violent to be kept as pets so what else are they here for? to fight, if they weren't allowed to be pets no dogfighting. (the word is bias...) No it is not. Pitbulls are no more aggressive than other dogs if raised that way. You have much more attacks from other dog breeds, like Labrador Retrievers and lap dogs. But those are 'nice' dogs, a Rottweiler or Pit attacks someone, it's national news! It is the sole and lone responsibility of man to make an animal mean. And that is what makes the idea of dogfighting so reprehensible!
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Post by Consonant*** on Aug 25, 2007 21:51:27 GMT -5
It's a sport. Just because it's cruel doesn't mean it's not a sport. You guys obviously don't know much about Vick, do you? He was one of my favorite players in the NFL, and he wasn't a Terrel Owens bad mouth uhlan, he was a great guy. Why do you think Virginia Tech made a freakin Micheal Vick Hall? He wasn't a bad person, he just got in with the wrong people. Dogfighting is bad, yeah, but you guys are totally blowing this out of proportion. ? Blowing this out of proportion?! Oh my, let me see... It's wrong Unethical Cruel and oh, I forgot ILLEGAL!!! There is no excuse on earth for that. NONE!!! There are a lot of wrong, cruel, unethical and illegal things somebody could do, and they do do that. He's not a bad person. You don't know ANYTHING about him, you know he's some sports star that was indicted on dog fighting. I've been following Vick since his days at Virginia Tech, and I know he's better than most football stars. It's not a big deal, some dogs are dead, he's not any worse of a person for dogfighting.
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Post by Gran Gran on Aug 25, 2007 22:01:48 GMT -5
No, it's not about 'some dogs are dead, no big deal'
it is the monstrous immorality about turning these dogs into fighting machines. The will not go to jail, they will be killed. He is not a bad person? How bad do you have to be to be bad? He is a thug...a thug with lots of money. Like Roseanne Barr/Arnold put it: The people's worst nightmare, white trash with money...
Dogs die, every day...no secret here, the shelters put them down in droves, by the truck load. But breeding and training a dog to be vicious...that is not right. Disposing of those dogs...not right... HANGING?! You have got to be kidding!!! This is not freaking China!!
The man is getting his jollies from watching two animals fight to the death, that is sick! And for what it's worth, you don't get a dog that vicious without live bait...smaller dogs, pigs, cats...no big deal? Sure, it's a rich man's operation I am sure he was able to pick up enough 'Free to good home' dogs from the paper... but in reality, many of the bait animals are simply stolen! No big deal, I know... he's a good man!
he is not. So he didn't beat up his wife and kids... he did it to his dogs... a pathetic little man, enjoying playing god...a little pervert...you do know the link between animal abusers and serial killers...no big deal, I am sure.
The whole operation is a plataned disregard for life and ethics, on so many levels, it's unreal! People, unless chained, can get up and walk away, those dogs had no choice... ever
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Post by Confettie on Aug 26, 2007 0:44:01 GMT -5
Micheal Vick is an educated man he should have known better then to get in with the wrong crowd. Also wasn't the dog fighting arena located in his backyard too. Makes you wonder if he believe he's invincible.
Another bad thing about dog fighting is that it is also a precursor to violence against other human beings. I remember watching this news talk show stating that most serial killers all have history of animal abuse.
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Post by CountessRachel on Aug 26, 2007 0:58:41 GMT -5
? Blowing this out of proportion?! Oh my, let me see... It's wrong Unethical Cruel and oh, I forgot ILLEGAL!!! There is no excuse on earth for that. NONE!!! There are a lot of wrong, cruel, unethical and illegal things somebody could do, and they do do that. He's not a bad person. You don't know ANYTHING about him, you know he's some sports star that was indicted on dog fighting. I've been following Vick since his days at Virginia Tech, and I know he's better than most football stars. It's not a big deal, some dogs are dead, he's not any worse of a person for dogfighting. Though it pertains more to ethical circumstances than legal, Vick led a double life. And that in itself obliterates any moral fiber his character might have reflected. Yes, a big part of his fall from grace is the cruelty to animals and possible gambling, but another huge part is the fact that he pretended to be a decent person when he truly wasn't. Now that's not to say nobody has skeletons in their closet. But when it comes to being a star in a huge amount of limelight with a polished reputation, exposure simply doesn't sit well with the public. And Vick, being a Virginia Tech graduate, I presume was, at one point a sensible and mature person. I don't feel sympathy for him just because he got with the "wrong crowd." Actions and consequences, the two go hand in hand. As far as him being "any worse of a person for dogfighting," I'd like to say that pitting any two live animals to fight to the death (be they dogs, roosters, or dung beetles), this day and age, is savage and uncivilized. The fact that someone as smart, talented, and valued as Vick participated does detract an enourmous bit of sophistication from his person.
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